Market Discussions

Any tool which automates gameplay for you is currently considered against the rules. If you see what you suspect to be a market bot, please report it.

Check against mining and trade bots :

Random pop-up box that requests you to answer a quick random math question e.g 2+5 ?
For trade, it appears only after multiple price updates within a given time frame. (I don't think that it should check for 0.01 ISK price changes because they can just modify the bots to do 0.02 ISk or something like that)

Mining bot : Each 20-30 minutes same box same thing.

The check can be skipped once and not answered within a maximum of 5 minutes (to not screw with miners in case they are attacked or something)

In 5 minutes the box can even disappear and no one is kicked from the game. That player is flagged for botting.
Correlate this with some more infractions like this one and reporting from other players.
CCP within one month can have a very big list of people automating the game.

Enjoy

DEATH TO THE RUMOR MONGERS!

I have tried getting some focus on some actual practical solutions to the myth of bots.

As mentioned a lot in this thread and for many years now the population in Jita is what makes the bot problem myth persist. The frequency of trade is simply so high that people get the feeling its impossible to enter markets.

At the present we have very little good incentives to move off hub. I think its about time that MD, CSM and CCP took a closer look at ways to make this a more viable solution and also consider all the benefits from this.

First we need to talk about what limits players from moving out of hubs. The first one would be the obvious isk benefit.

I would suggest looking at broker fees and order limits.

If the base fee for adding orders was dynamically priced so smaller stacks became less and less profitable, then we would see a more efficient market and movement to seed outside hubs by smaller scaled traders. This would only be on sales, so it would really not be gamebreaking, and it would motive more market efficiency and saturation.

I would also suggest boosting the number of possible outstanding orders per skill, so a broader location based seeding would become a viable strategy for the tycoon traders. It would benefit the gameplay if there were more stacks of 5 ships in more stations, and less stacks of 100 getting 0.01 microbid.

The cost of putting up orders should scale to motivate the biggest stacks, and be modified by skill.

Modify order should be cost based on the station activity and thus be the base broker fee. Again this should increase on a mechanic similar to rental of offices, so it goes up in increments the higher the traded volume or total traded isk on the station.

Until something like this is introduced the discussion of market barrier of entry and botting myths will persist. I would hope CCP would seriously start considering a change so space and markets could be spread better.

Hard Question was Hard. I'll ask it again with out breaking any forum rules.

A) Is a market tool that provides warning outside of eve of outdated market orders via API and provides a copy and pastable value to be entered manually into eve EULA legal?

B) Are tools which allow duplication of commands such as those used by infamous multi boxers EULA legal?

C) Does CCP have any plans to implement bans on botting and macro's which duplicate actions across multiple accounts that are not RMT related?

D) If automation is against EULA why are lottery sites allowed to operate with complete automation while trading in EVE ISK?

I could get you citations from CCP or quote and rules-lawyer the EULA text at you to support what I've said above, but I don't think that is really needed. If you are really interested in the subject you should probably read the EULA and spend a little time with a search engine to get yourself fully informed. If you are just asking idle questions then you may want to just accept my answers as reasonably accurate and leave it at that. If you are asking the questions to poke at CCP, then I suggest you get a longer stick.

Agreed with Mr Ronuken..


Elinor etc provide copy paste options outside the game, which you then have to find the correct order in your wallet for, open the modify, and paste it in.... (IMO Elinor is mostly for people who need to check whether they are making a profit, as it tracks margins for you, and less for keeping on top of orders, unless of course you have 305 station orders you are trying to follow constantly)

It is a whole other story if they open up the correct wallet order for modification for you.

You're right.


It's just: https://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

Oh, and making sure someone doesn't get sucked in by the mistake and banned.

Market API features should be scrapped, I know most won't want that but currently the way things are its way to easy to abuse using macros...

Also people should move away from Jita and Amarr etc. Buy stuff in Jita and move it somewhere, seriously its a lot less hassle and much more rewarding, you just have to take the risk of hauling it! That's the point for risk there is reward.

Firstly, I am not a station trader and I have very little to do with Jita.

I also believe that market bots have been increasing as I see some very strange behavior on the markets and not just how quickly orders get adjusted.

I would like to think that CCP care enough about it's customers that they would want to stop the cheats and provide a fair game. Unfortunately I'm not sure that is true given the EVE University player who got banned for botting. Surely it would be easy to detect players who alter an inhuman amount of orders per minute. This bloke did it for several years and amount 100's of billions before he was detected.

I also agree that Market API features should be scrapped. If your competitors are using Market API features then to compete you need to learn how too. So add API features/3rd party apps to the learning curve for a new player wants to play the market.

Stop allowing the market to be automated, leave it as human vs human. Let intelligence, understanding, intuition and bravery to put your ISK on the line be what decides your profit/lose not how well you can code bots, cache scrappers or API facilities.