Warfare & Tactics

I won't I will let someone else fight them and keep fighting people within 1 - 3 jumps of me. The rabbits will be run off the map and the only people left doing plexes will be pvpers.

Let me guess, they crave the electrolytes.





Here it is! Now we are getting at how we think different.

1) You do not want sov control to be easier for the pvpers than the rabbits. I want fw sov to be geared more for the pvpers than the rabbits.

2) You are happy for the content the rabbits provide in fw, I am not.

3) You say I am lazy and unmotivated because I do not spend more time playing a computer game. I think spending more time at a computer game would be lazy and show lack of motivation.

Yes then it makes sense for you to be against notifications. Because notifications would mean that pvpers become more efficient at sov warfare than the rabbits.

Playing more of a broken computer game will not demonstrate I am less lazy or better motivated.

I want world peace, But i would sound like a ****** if i just kept saying it over and over again on political forums offering no practical solution to what is likely an impossibility. Get over yourself, a pure pvp mechanic to control sov is not possible because you cannot make people fight. There is no other level to explore here, that is the be all and end all. Sorry, your ideology is based on a faulty presumption of possibility.

FW SOv is a PVE mechanic.

The playerbase CANNOT support a pure pvp mechanic at all. Sov needs to be PVE based.

Until you leave. Then they will be back. Just like now.

That is why I say its somewhat inaccurate to say the problem is farming. The problem is really rabbits people who run and hide in a different system when pvpers come to fight for the plex. That fw sov is a carebear race has been the problem since it first came out.

Here is an example of it:

"It took less than a week to achieve the maximum faction warfare rank (Divine Commodore), ….111 faction warfare complexes were captured … I did not kill anyone in the process..” Ankhesentapemkah Posted - 2008.06.18 02:29:00


If you track down that thread I believe you will find people suggesting that this sort of hide and seek plexing should be addressed, by a notification system. It won't be me because I didn't even start playing at that time.

If these fictional people actually existed, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If they do exist, then I suggest you join FW, form a corporation with these people, and then go out and dominate FW.

Edit:
The potential, workable, solutions are well known. CCP ought to implement one or both of these and see what happens.
1. Timer rollback. If nobody is in a plex then it counts down to "zero". (Julius Foederatus)
2. Proper sized ships are the only ones that can run a timer. (chatgris)

That particular issue was fixed long ago, when plexes were made to spawn perpetually throughout the day thus axing the post-DT plexing bonanza .. FW was actually in a good place, occupancy wise, after that change as PvP suddenly had a much larger say in the state of thing and we saw Gallente being able to push back which in turn fostered more Caldari fighters to emerge.
Similar happened on Amarr/Shakorite front albeit on a smaller scale as both sides had post-DT (thus being equally hit) presence with Amarr having slightly more .. Siseide/Lantorn .. nothing more needs to be said

And all that without any incentives.

And that is the glaring flaw with the current system. Why should a militia have to bring in ringers to make any sort of headway, the whole idea that 'numbers trump all' makes for tedious and laggy time-dilated gameplay and is one of the major contributors to the moronic TZ condensing that has occurred, made "sense" in null due to reinforcement timers .. but in FW?

They will. They are on the/a clock and I suspect trying to balance their standings which is why they swap colours every two months or so .. but waging a proxy war through alts is kind of a big deflater and they can't be eradicated fast enough.

Sure there is, make the small guys time more valuable than the fat guys.

Suggested elsewhere/earlier that a reverse tier modifier be applied to VP as part of the diminishing return downside of steamrolling .. if one side is raking in +150-225% LP then they have to contend with enemy getting same bonus to VP making systems fall rather quickly unless guarded.
You'd still see fluctuations in the zones, but they wouldn't be nearly as erratic or severe .. dropping from tier 4-5 to 1 in a few weeks would not be possible unless everyone went on vacation for instance. There was a week or two not long ago where both Amarr and Shakorites had tier3 and combat was rampant as plexing crews needed protection just to maintain the tier .. but then farmers got settled in (was while they were changing sides I suspect) and it got skewed again ... that is what is needed for constant bloodshed, an equilibrium with fluctuations never being so great that one side stays in port while waiting for the winds to change.

Sheer numbers would obviously still matter, but you'd need a lot to do what is done on a whim now (ie. flip entire warzone in a fortnight).

In short: I am Danish. I can argue with anything dammit, even numbers!