Warfare & Tactics

Yes it will because fw soveriegnty will no longer be the broken carebear race it is now. No one cares about fw sov because it is broken. Once it is fixed and it becomes a fun/good game more people will want to win it.

If you ever roam you will find that only about 1/3-1/5 of systems have someone plexing in them at any given time. That means that a notfication system would make policing your space at least 3-5xs as efficient. Combined with the effect of timer rollbacks means that it will become more efficient to stay and fight for a plex than it is to run and hide in a different plex.



Nice strawman. Why would someone from Arzad go to avenod? Avenod is indeed pretty out of the way but even so it is only 1or2 jumps from 7 other systems. So if a militia had a single pvper in any of those 7 systems they could make sure that the rabbits don't capture that system.

The guy in arzad would be 1-2 jumps from 9 systems so he would likely have his hands full pvping for sov in that area.

The notifications (combined with a rollback mechanic) would give the plexers in each militia enough efficincy that they would only need about 10 active pvpers spread out in the warzone to effecively stop all hide and seek plexing.



Its unclear how much of an impact this will have. Its possible that delay in farming will turn the tide such that fw sov will be most efficiently done in a pvp ship. I tend to doubt that and think they will also need to do notifications. But we shall see.

Notifications would make pvpers about 3-5xs as efficient as they are now. Combined with the added inefficncy carebears would get from a timer rollback and we would have what we need. Namely fw sov would be more efficiently done if you can stay and fight for your plex instead of constantly running and hiding.

About 10 pvpers could prevent rabbits from flipping systems in the entire caldari gallente front, if they had notifications and a timer rollback mechanic. They could spread out and would generally be only 3 jumps from any system. Hence they could effectively shut down any rabbits that are not willing to stay and fight.





Even in the base systems there are players defensive plexing with alts. Even in the main base systems you can run a plex and never get a fight. They will just wait until you leave and get their defensive plexers out there. I posted the killmails of the stabbed ships in these systems people supposedly care about but that appearantly violates the rules.

Faction war used to have players who liked the sov system because the side that didn't have enough players to outblob the other side could spread out in the warzone and do some damage.

Now we only hear that there are 3-5 systems that everyone trys to outblob the other in and the other 90% of space is farmville. Null sec lite has arrived.

I told you.

I don't think Cearain quite gets the fact that those notifications will, indeed, just be shut off (just llike that Safety nonsense). More efficient? Not in the slightest. There are some who INTENTIONALLY light up every plex in surrounding systems before they start plexing, just to keep the hunters, FW or not, busy for a while. Find enough empty plexes and they either just move on or break out the probes (in which case they can be seen). Light 'em all up, and you NEED a crap-ton of people in systems with more than two plexes. You guys want Easy Button boolsh!te (like notifications and such) to make your work easier, people like me will INTENTIONALLY do what we can just to spite you. While I don't farm, your whining to CCP for Easy Button crap just makes me want to scream the opposite.

Chasing rabbits is not fun. So, how do any of your proposals make chasing rabbits fun?

No more chasing. Just fighting in plexes a jump or 2 away. Given the increase in efficiency pvpers would have the farming would end. Why don't you both read what I wrote about why it would end farming and respond to that, instead of back tracking points that were already addressed?

I actually gave an analysis of why it would end farming and you guys keep ignoring it.

Let people know where they need to go to contest the capture of a plex through pvp, and there will be more people contesting the capture of plexes through pvp.

I feel like the guy in Idiocracy telling people to put water on their plants instead of gatorade in order to get a higher yield. You guys just ignore what I write and keep claiming it won't work.

Because I want people to fight for plexes instead of just orbitting buttons with no resistance, I am labeled as the one wanting an easy button?

Winning sov through pvp is a much harder task than winning by rabbit plexxing. Its also more fun and rewarding.

BTW: I love the way people shift from saying this change will not change anything. To this change will make it too easy to find pvp. Both positions can't be true.

So... why exactly are you involved in FW and it's fake "sov" race with all its bad things and horrible mechanics, when you could be safely hidden away in null, fighting the good fight for REAL sov, with all the awesome 'leet battles and rewards?!?!? FW "sov" clearly isn't about just popping ships, but you want the failed null mechanics foisted on FW, too?

And why exactly do you insist on people playing YOUR game, instead of theirs? You clearly still don't get it, do you, Cearain: the game you want exists in null. Quit trying to impose your idea of nullspace on FW space. If you want null sov mechanics, go to null. Quit trying to screw up the game for the rest of us, m'kay?

That farmers control sov, they have a marginal effect at best because the systems they plex typically do not matter. Also that you will get fights using this notification system, if someone wants a fight, they go to a system that matters and they run a plex. No one who wants pvp is going to run a plex in an empty system. If someone shows up, they will run as per usual.






I guess the disconnect is, I already think mechanics exist to control the farming hoard, you do not.

How are you going to fight them if they run?