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When did this happen?

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Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-15 02:25:24 UTC
Huh. Away from the game for a couple of years, and I come back to find that my Drake's been nerfed. Down to 6 launchers now. When did that happen?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-03-15 02:40:24 UTC
A month ago. Damage bonus got doubled too.
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-15 02:55:34 UTC
Ah, well that's not so bad then. What was the reason for the change?
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-15 03:02:37 UTC
Actually, that's not a nerf, it's a buff. Overall DPS up by about 10%.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2013-03-15 03:52:23 UTC
Want the long story? CCP has decided to rationalize ship progression while also shunting ships out of tiers and into niches. The original idea is described in a dev blog from January 2012. After working through frigates, destroyers, and cruisers (and changing missile stats rather significantly; if you plan to fly your Drake you should give that a look), they announced that BCs were next.

The BC change thread pretty much lays out the sweeping concept behind the changes and then devolves into people yelling at other people about whether the Harbinger is **** or utter ****. It's a great read. Another dev blog explains the final changes.

And while we're on the topic of BCs, you really should know that the skill is being split into racial variants sometime around May. If you want to get all 4 to 5 when it happens, start training BC to 5 and all racial cruisers to 3.

tl;dr: they're doing a big ship rebalance. They just got done with BCs.
Storm Novah
Yada Industries
#6 - 2013-03-15 17:02:07 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
And while we're on the topic of BCs, you really should know that the skill is being split into racial variants sometime around May. If you want to get all 4 to 5 when it happens, start training BC to 5 and all racial cruisers to 3.

tl;dr: they're doing a big ship rebalance. They just got done with BCs.

You may also wanna know that they are doing the same thing to destroyers as with the BCs. They are splitting it the same way and to get all races you should train Destroyers to 5 and have all racial cruisers to 3.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#7 - 2013-03-15 17:17:11 UTC
What makes you think that DPS is down?
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#8 - 2013-03-15 18:28:09 UTC
hellcane wrote:
What makes you think that DPS is down?


No one in this thread said that DPS was down...
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-15 21:30:37 UTC
Fireflyb1 wrote:
hellcane wrote:
What makes you think that DPS is down?


No one in this thread said that DPS was down...


I thought for a second that DPS had gone down because the ship had one fewer launcher. Then it was pointed out that the loss of a launcher came with an increase in per launcher damage, which results in a net gain of DPS.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-03-15 21:41:53 UTC
Jon Rackham wrote:
I thought for a second that DPS had gone down because the ship had one fewer launcher. Then it was pointed out that the loss of a launcher came with an increase in per launcher damage, which results in a net gain of DPS.

Unless you try to use non-kinetic missiles, that's it. Although it seems to be one of the main thing about this change...
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-15 22:34:39 UTC
Slightly annoyed that I'm going to need Information Warfare V and Skirmish Warfare V to fly a Command Ship after the Summer, but pretty happy that I probably won't need Caldari Battleship V anymore. Kind of wish I could get it to turn back to white from yellow, but oh well.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#12 - 2013-03-15 23:40:59 UTC
Jon Rackham wrote:
Slightly annoyed that I'm going to need Information Warfare V and Skirmish Warfare V to fly a Command Ship after the Summer, but pretty happy that I probably won't need Caldari Battleship V anymore. Kind of wish I could get it to turn back to white from yellow, but oh well.


No. You need info/skirm warfare V to INJECT the command ships SKILLBOOK, not fly command ships.
So if you can fly command ships now, you'll be able to after the patch.
Jon Rackham
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-16 00:37:37 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
Jon Rackham wrote:
Slightly annoyed that I'm going to need Information Warfare V and Skirmish Warfare V to fly a Command Ship after the Summer, but pretty happy that I probably won't need Caldari Battleship V anymore. Kind of wish I could get it to turn back to white from yellow, but oh well.


No. You need info/skirm warfare V to INJECT the command ships SKILLBOOK, not fly command ships.
So if you can fly command ships now, you'll be able to after the patch.


...
Hm, that's a bit of an unusual situation. Less upset now, but more amused.
Apollo Cochrane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-01 13:32:38 UTC
All this is fine... I just wish they would update the ship model along with the stats. One empty missile slot looked bad enough, Looks bloody stupid with TWO! They always do half a job.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-01 15:15:40 UTC
For the Drake, I think the way the numbers worked out with kinetic missiles was that it was a nerf at BC level III and below, a push at BC level IV, and a buff at BC level V.

And yeah, at some point the models do need some work. They had to do funky things to the Naglfar because there was no place to put a third turret, the Myrmidon shares the Drake's issue of having more turret slots on its model than it has high slots, and the Moa (along with the Eagle, the Onyx, and the Gila) is still uglier than sin..

Oh, and if you can inject the Command Ships skillbook now, do it. Get that plus Battlecruisers V and you'll be a very happy camper when Odyssey drops.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Baggo Hammers
#16 - 2013-04-01 15:38:24 UTC
Jon Rackham wrote:
Slightly annoyed that I'm going to need Information Warfare V and Skirmish Warfare V to fly a Command Ship after the Summer, but pretty happy that I probably won't need Caldari Battleship V anymore. Kind of wish I could get it to turn back to white from yellow, but oh well.



When did you need BS 5?

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-01 18:53:23 UTC
One additional thing to note: (especially for you pilots who like flying with gang links): the tech 1 battlecruisers can more easily be fit with a single gang link than before, and even still be quite viable for use in combat. For now, that means you can have gang links in small roams. But eventually links will probably have to be on the field to function -- or at least outside of a POS shield. There was a devblog mentioning that too, but I can't remember where it is and don't want to go digging for it.

Here's something you might be interested in, though. It's a devblog which goes over all the changes to skill requirements for ships. If you can fly it now, you will be able to later. But if you're close to being able to fly it now and haven't injected the book, you might wanna browse and see what changes will be made, to decide if you wanna make a push and get it before Odyssey, or wait till afterwards. Either way, you can potentially save yourself a ton of trouble.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-04-01 19:07:26 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
One additional thing to note: (especially for you pilots who like flying with gang links): the tech 1 battlecruisers can more easily be fit with a single gang link than before, and even still be quite viable for use in combat. For now, that means you can have gang links in small roams. But eventually links will probably have to be on the field to function -- or at least outside of a POS shield. There was a devblog mentioning that too, but I can't remember where it is and don't want to go digging for it.

Here's something you might be interested in, though. It's a devblog which goes over all the changes to skill requirements for ships. If you can fly it now, you will be able to later. But if you're close to being able to fly it now and haven't injected the book, you might wanna browse and see what changes will be made, to decide if you wanna make a push and get it before Odyssey, or wait till afterwards. Either way, you can potentially save yourself a ton of trouble.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234


I love that's become the mantra of the forums with people posting it time and time again, but this is in the dev blog:

Quote:
Navy Battleships:

Increasing requirement to fly Navy Battleships previously known as Tier 1 (Armageddon Navy Issue, Scorpion Navy Issue, Dominix Navy Issue, Typhoon Fleet Issue) from level1 to level2 to make it consistent with other navy ships. Since the training from level1 to level2 only takes a few hours, we will not adjust your Racial Battleship level. Please make sure you train it before the change if you still wish to be able to fly Navy Battleships


So I know it's a minor thing at best, but that mantra needs an footnote. :p

But it does make me wonder why the change for consistency when it defeats your mantra of "if you can fly it now you can fly it after." Especially when they state that the training time difference is only a few hours at most anyway.

/shallow thoughts with Ersahi Kir
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-02 05:21:54 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
But it does make me wonder why the change for consistency when it defeats your mantra of "if you can fly it now you can fly it after." Especially when they state that the training time difference is only a few hours at most anyway.

/shallow thoughts with Ersahi Kir
Simple. They have no interest in coddling us and holding our hand while we play EVE. But coming back to EVE on an already-trained character and finding out you can't fly your stuff anymore unless you spend several weeks in re-training is absolutely crippling. A few hours is negligible.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#20 - 2013-04-02 05:59:29 UTC
Who would fly a navy battleship with such a low ship skill anyway? It boggles the mind. Such a thing is almost not even worth mentioning.
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