Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Holy Sh!t WANT WANT WANT

Can I pre-order 8 please ?

Oh and contact details for your drug dealer.

Why would any one use a exhumer if this is made? It makes them obsolete as well as the orca.

Hell yeah, the idea of a T3 ORE is awesome. I really do like it. Perhaps we could join the odyssey with this ship.

Where is the tackling bonuses?! We can't let those Asteroids to warp away when they see this coming!

Bump. For good measure.

Yes I know, Hacs are almost useless compared to a properly fit t3. Why would you want to do that to exhumes also.

That is a stupid comparison, and FYI when ever I talk about balancing issues I never use anything but T2 mods, ever, no meta, no faction, no officer, nothing else but T2.

Let's run some comparisons with solid numbers before we do any whining to see where the idea can be optimized instead of shutting it down.

Ore Mining
The most prolific form of mining, so we may as well start here.

Enterprise - +100% Mining Yield
-Ore Retrieval Platform: Strip Miner usage, +3 High Slots, 7.5-37.5% Reduction to Strip Miner cycle time
-Any: +1 Low (for Mining Laser Upgrade)
-Bore Stream Multiplier: +3-15% Mining Yield, +2 Low
-Freight Shielding: +2 Low (assuming +cargohold does NOT improve Ore Hold)
-Any: +1 Low

This brings us to 3 Highs that push +115% Strip Miner yield with a -37.5% reduced cycle time (which is a roughly 60% increase itself). If one was normally pulling 100 ore per minute they would now be pulling 215 every 37.5 seconds, or 344 per minute and with 3 lasers that's 1032, over ten times the base. Let's also note that it has 6 low slots for MLUs, each a 9% increase themselves assuming T2 variants.

Compare this to the Hulk, the current mining behemoth. With max skills it gets +30% Strip Miner yield, no reductions to cycle time. So using the same example above, one would go from 100 ore per minute to 130 ore per minute and with three lasers that's 390 total. The difference there is absolutely staggering, and that's not even factoring in the difference due to MLUs as the Hulk can only fit two to the Enterprise's six. And this does not take into account the difference of having a 19k ore hold to an 8.5k has, although that's worth muting since Hulks are typically utilized in fleet operations where their own ore hold doesn't matter much.

Ice Mining
The most dull form of mining, but the second most common from what I've seen.

Enterprise - +100% Yield (or -50% cycle time, which is what it would likely be read as, but let's ignore that).
-Ore Retrieval Platform: Ice Harvester usage, +3 High Slots, 37.5% Reduction to Ice Harvester cycle time
-Any: +1 Low
-Bore Stream Multiplier: -15% Cycle Time, +2 Low
-Freight Shielding: +2 Low
-Any: +1 Low

With the same setup as before we have a total of -52.5% Cycle Time from ship bonuses with double the normal output. Compared to the Hulk, which has a total of -20% Cycle Time from ship bonuses with only base output and the difference is once again not even worth holding a candle to (the Enterprise is getting over 4x the production), especially once Ice Harvester Upgrades are taken into account.

Gas Mining
The least common form of mining.

Enterprise - +100% Yield
-Gaseous Extraction Manifold - -50% Cycle Time to Gas Harvesters, +2 Turret Hardpoints
-Any: no change
-Bore Stream Multiplier: -15% Cycle Time
-Any: no change
-Any: no change

Here we have a total +100% yield and -65% cycle time. Going from 100 per minute again we wind up with 200 per 21 seconds or 571 per minute. 1,142 with both harvesters going.

The only comparison is the Venture, which at max skills is +100% yield and -25% cycle time. So that's 200 per 45s or 266 per minute. With both going that's 532. Again, over double. Although this is compensated by the fact that the T3 ship is likely a cruiser-sized vessel and as such should be capable of more in terms of mining than a frigate.

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From what I observed the problem seems to be that you have the ship holding a powerful base bonus (+100% to virtually everything that matters in terms of yield) that starts to get ridiculous when complimented by the other bonuses that are available. I recommend you start by scrapping that altogether, which by itself brings a lot of the yields more in-line with the best-performing counterpart.

I recommend dropping the Covert Reconfig. Make it the Salvager variant that allows the Enterprise to play as a Noctis. Massive high slots, decent mid slots, decrease to salvage cycle time. The Covert Reconfig isn't all that useful since it forces the Enterprise to drop Strip Miners/Ice Harvesters, forcing it into either a crappy ore miner, a cloaky gas miner (good in WH space I guess...), a cloaky Noctis (meh...), or a gag gunner. The only other noticeable advantage that was described before would be the permission to use covert cynos...

Next, look at your low slot layouts. ORE vessels are notorious for their low number of low slots. The Noctis and Mackinaw hold the most at 3. These are used to limit the utility of each vessel through their lowslot upgrades. Anything that increases the efficiency of the ship as an ore/ice/gas acquisition platform should leave the ship with 2 to counterbalance it. Likewise, while their high slots may vary, miners tend to be low while only the Noctis really has a full setup of 8. This helps to offset their overall yield.

Lastly, numbers. 7.5% is okay, but 7.5% per level is not. While I wouldn't have a problem if it outstripped a Hulk when optimized only for yield it should not be doing so it shouldn't be doing the work of more than two Hulks with a bigger ore hold than two Hulks and a plethora of other roles it can fill besides.

Except, this ship can only fit one Strip Miner, something you conveniently forgot.

Do you assume that the thread will die without your constant support?
And how did I word it incorrectly? I said "can fit a strip miner or ice miner" not "can fit strip miners and ice miners".