Ships & Modules

So does this mean I need to the the 4th BCU off my Tengu??? I am so confused...

Damage Control II.

Comparing the Scorpion Navy and the Raven Navy, it's a matter of tank vs. gank. Two different approaches to running missions efficiently. There are no hard and fast rules when fitting ships, but the general idea is to fit them according to their strengths. For the SNI, it's tank. Adding another BCU for a moderate DPS increase is counter-productive to the design of the ship and its intended use. In the grand scheme of things, 30 more paper damage in L4 missions is nothing. You'd be better off with a Drone Damage Augmenter, which would add more applied DPS than a 4th BCU.



Interesting. Next time read the thread you're posting in before making such erroneous claims.

Yes, I saw it, but once I saw the tp, I ignored it. Your fit is alright for people who like to micromanage. I don't like micromanagement.

You use tp. I use LMJD to jump 100km away from rats, tp is useless on my fit. Less micromanagement.

You use drone link. With 4 bcu in low I have 46 or 47 cpu, need 50 cpu for that drone link, I might get enough cpu for drone link once I finish upgrades.

You use cap booster. I don't like micromanagement, so I use cap recharger.

You got two primary resists and two secondary resists and one shield boost amplifier. No problem, I used to do that too. These days I use two shield boost amplifiers and one primary resist and one secondary resist. This is more of a personal difference between us. I don't think one way is better than the other.

DC in low is fine. I used to fit it too, the experience showed me that I don't need it. Now I fit fourth bcu. Obviously you feel that you need more tank, I am sure there is a reason you feel this way, we all do what we think we must do to succeed.

The SNI works a lot better as a active tank. The 6 x Cruise Missiles are going to supply weak DPS, plus the DPS you get will be very weak against small ships.

So, Rigs reserved to help increase DPS against smaller ships. Lows reserved to increase overall DPS. Mids for active tank.

In my opinion: The suggestion to add a Damage Control to a low slot isn't bad... it just isn't needed with the SNI. With built in resists and 8 mid slots your tank is fine... your DPS is the issue as it will always be on the low end. Less DPS means longer run times on missions.




Just to note: None of the suggested fits so far in this thread are really bad (except yours ). Give them all a try... or the ones you find interesting... and see what you think.

I suggest you go and buy a clue before posting on here again and making yourself look like a silly tw@t.

Yes 4 BCUs, because you need all the DPS you can get. Even with the stacking penalty, the 4th BCU is still worth using. If you can't grasp that, then I feel sorry for you.

No. No. No. No. No.

You need enough tank only to survive peak NPC DPS and that's it. Your focus should always be on max DPS. The faster you can wipe the NPCs the better - they can't damage you if they're dead. You use the SNI because it already has a naturally better tank, meaning you can dedicate more of the fit to DPS.

It's PVE Fitting 101

I know. The realisation that you got it so wrong must be painful for you. Have a cuddle

I've flown both, a lot.

I found a CNR fit I couldn't match in the SNI aside from a possible prop mod(*), although it is close.

Dont have EFT handy but the thrust of it is:

4x BCU
1x DDA//1xSigAmp (depending on mission)

1x XLASB
1x Invuln
2x Mission hardeners
2x TPs

7x CML II - Fury Weapons/Precision in hold

3x Rigor rigs (I found with my skills it offered more applied damage than the usual 2x1 rigor/flare combo. This might change once I get all supports up to V rather than IV though)

Usually sporting using 5x light drones/3x sentries.

Pimp to taste, of course.


Yes, it's committing the 'cardinal sin' of missioning with an XLASB....however it puts out so much damage it's just not an issue. Two painters, seven launchers...fury applying very nearly its full damage (33xx volleys against angel BS [paper max after resists is 33xx], BCs die in one hit, cruisers usually in two)....oh the pain it brings

I've not been able to figure a way to get a lesser tank/more DPS into a missile BS, except some stupid officer/deadspace fits. That may change if/when TCs get to affect missiles as this ship doesnt have the space to spare the SNI would.


(*) I have a tengu/other hulls for missions where travel is an issue/I want to stop paying attention.

Only if you can actually apply that DPS and as I mentioned above - the only way the raven can manage that is with XLASB I use or utterly ridiculous pimping. You need that second painter to get the most out of the fury missiles and without those, DPs goes down the crapper.

Using a traditionalist shield booster/cap booster CNR fit, the real world performance difference was negligible in my experience. Only shoe-horning that second painter on the raven tipped the scales.

I am not understanding.

SNI - 6 launchers
CNR - 7 launchers

CNR +16% more DPS

Are you saying you are mounting multiple painters on the SNI? If so, how many and how much difference are they making on hitting BBs or BCs?