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Universal ship for lv4 missioning

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Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-29 18:29:28 UTC
I am looking for universal ship for lv4 missions in ammar, galente and mimatar space. What i found so far is that Machariel is the best (well atleast on paper) . Any pro mission runners can share there experience.

Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#2 - 2013-03-29 18:34:12 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
I am looking for universal ship for lv4 missions in ammar, galente and mimatar space. What i found so far is that Machariel is the best (well atleast on paper) . Any pro mission runners can share there experience.


If you got the cash, then the machariel. It will be hit by the tracking enhancer nerf by the next expansion, but that should only cost one rig max, to keep the same functionality. Apart from that, drone boats like the rattlesnake, (navy) geddon (need lazors too) or dominix might work well enough.

I am not old, just bitter.

Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-29 18:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestutis Fujika
At the moment i flying dominix , but new drone agro system i purely annoying with dropping an picking sentrys every minute. Only solution i found is fly 2 of them , but i dont wana multi box at the moment. So i decided drop drone ships they just dont worth trouble to fly solo and looking for other weapons systems and ships.
Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2013-03-29 18:55:36 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
At the moment i flying dominix , but new drone agro system i purely annoying with dropping an picking sentrys every minute. Only solution i found is fly 2 of them , but i dont wana multi box at the moment. So i decided drop drone ships they just dont worth trouble to fly solo and looking for other weapons systems and ships.


Then the Machariel, not sure about your gun skills, but if you are pure gallente a vindicator / kronos 'might do' . But the machariel is the king at the moment. (you can swap the damage type, get crazy speed and with some pimpage even a crazy tank)

I am not old, just bitter.

Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
#5 - 2013-03-29 18:56:03 UTC
1) Faction BS (Mach and Vindi are best choices)
2) T3 (Tengu is good)
3) Navy BS

Obviously more pimp the better.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-29 18:58:47 UTC
Tengu with cap rigs and Dread Gurista large shield booster... with decent skills or implants and you can perma-run the booster and your resists true the heavy missile nerf added about 10 minutes to my completion time but i am actually about to switch to an afterburner and ham fit (efting shows i can still fit most everything else just need to get a slightly better implant to stay stable).

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#7 - 2013-03-29 19:03:50 UTC
Vargur is also an option if you want to loot/salvage as you kill rats. You aren't going to Caldari space, so you should face gurista jamming too terribly often. A mach will probably do better, but the vargur is a close second. After that you have other pirate faction BS, navy faction BS, and t3 as solid alternatives. A sleipnir would not be a bad choice either, but it would not be the most efficient, about equal to a maelstrom.
San Badgeros
Badgeros Holdings
#8 - 2013-03-29 19:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: San Badgeros
I use a Navy Domi, with 5x 425mm rails in the top, sentries and various damage mods. Swap out hardeners as necessary, and also swap between AB and MJD. Puts out up to 1200 DPS, depending on tank/gank ratio. Works on everyone. ATM nothing rates higher than T2, so not even pimped

Damages everything comfortably out to 80+km, so tank can be sacrificed.

It's not exciting, it's not risky. It is fairly quick and lets me look after my kid. No real probs with drone aggro as NPCs cant really project damage that far

Makes me happy

SB
Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#9 - 2013-03-29 22:34:50 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
I am looking for universal ship for lv4 missions in ammar, galente and mimatar space. What i found so far is that Machariel is the best (well atleast on paper) . Any pro mission runners can share there experience.



Nice, you failed to spell any of the eve races correctly in one post. Grats.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-29 22:48:27 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Nice, you failed to spell any of the eve races correctly in one post. Grats.


*ALL races, besides he forgot Caldaris Lol
Kenerian
Tri-gun
#11 - 2013-03-29 23:06:53 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
I am looking for universal ship for lv4 missions in ammar, galente and mimatar space. What i found so far is that Machariel is the best (well atleast on paper) . Any pro mission runners can share there experience.





I would look into the Adrestia or the Mimir.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-30 01:18:12 UTC
I am loving my Navy Scorpion.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#13 - 2013-03-30 03:14:24 UTC
I really like the rattlesnake. Can do any faction, Easy to tailor for different NPC/incoming damage and Sentries are just awesome by design. Also,pretty cheap compared to Mach and the likes.

Also, you can eventually Solo all the Epic Arcs with it, only ship able to do so. I doubt you would do such, but it's still nice to have the option.

I sell drones and drones accessories.

Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-03-30 03:20:33 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
At the moment i flying dominix , but new drone agro system i purely annoying with dropping an picking sentrys every minute. Only solution i found is fly 2 of them , but i dont wana multi box at the moment. So i decided drop drone ships they just dont worth trouble to fly solo and looking for other weapons systems and ships.


Or throw some remote reps on the sentries....
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-30 17:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Andracin wrote:
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
At the moment i flying dominix , but new drone agro system i purely annoying with dropping an picking sentrys every minute. Only solution i found is fly 2 of them , but i dont wana multi box at the moment. So i decided drop drone ships they just dont worth trouble to fly solo and looking for other weapons systems and ships.


Or throw some remote reps on the sentries....


Remove guns on that domi and you're down to 500 dps. Not that it wasn't already 500 applied dps anyway, since they're rails.

The answer is Mach, or CNR. Mach is probably closer to your skills trained, since you fly gallante. Between Mach and CNR, Mach is also the better boat. Vindi doesn't satisfy "universal ship" condition, as it can't change dmg type. Then there's the short locking range (50-60km, depending on skill), which means fitting sebos. There's also the rail suckage issue.
San Badgeros
Badgeros Holdings
#16 - 2013-03-30 17:47:46 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Nice, you failed to spell any of the eve races correctly in one post. Grats.


*ALL races, besides he forgot Caldaris Lol


I think if we're splitting hairs, 'forgot Caldari' would have been sufficient Blink

SB
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-05 00:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I'm going to zip down to the cheap side of town and suggest the 'geddon. I've been using one exclusively for level 4 missions. It's a cheap, powerful, all-around performer. You *are* stuck with regard to your choice of gun damage, and the radar strength is a little low (I've had to use ECCM on certain missions), but it's a very solid ship - I can fly literally anything sub-capital, and I still choose this for soloing level 4s.

Skill-wise: it's CPU limited, so train appropriately. As an armor-tanking ship, it benefits from various armor tanking skills.

Loadout: 7x mega modulated pulse I, tractor beam, 100MN AB, 2x cap recharger II, large armor rep II, 2x heat sink II, 4x t2 armor hardeners, DCU II, 3x T1 CCC rigs. Carry mission-specific drones (I like to carry a mix of medium and small, and mainly use them for killing scrambling frigates and ECM cruisers).

Even with solid cap/BS skills, you can't permarun your tank and guns. I very occasionally have to warp out with this to recharge, but otherwise I just toggle the armor rep as appropriate. You can drop the AB in favor of another cap recharger, but it really slows down your looting.

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#18 - 2013-04-05 00:28:13 UTC
Mach, CNR, or Rattler, I guess.

Anything that relies on hybrids (that includes the Dominix) or lasers just doesn't have the damage type selection.

Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
I'm going to zip down to the cheap side of town and suggest the 'geddon.

How are the Angels and Guristas treating you?
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-05 00:51:55 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Mach, CNR, or Rattler, I guess.

Anything that relies on hybrids (that includes the Dominix) or lasers just doesn't have the damage type selection.

Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
I'm going to zip down to the cheap side of town and suggest the 'geddon.

How are the Angels and Guristas treating you?


That's a fair point, but I don't really find a problem with either. The main problem with Guristas and this ship is the occasional jamming - it's not exactly a sensor strength powerhouse. Despite having good EM/thermal resistance, Guristas still shield tank and they still go down quickly.

Angels just barrel right up to you, which makes them easy targets: pop the frigates first (always pop the frigates first) as they speed in, then pop the cruisers. You should be able to get both before they get under your gun range (~15km). I typically kill the frigs and cruisers with IR or Xray, then switch to MF to kill the BS (which usually have barreled right to optimal for MF).

As a comparison, I switched to the Armageddon from a Raven (I have both races BS to 5, guns and launchers to 5, armor tanking skills to 5 and almost all the shield tanking skills to 5). Despite being able to choose damage in the Raven, I still took longer to do missions in the Raven than the 'geddon. I mainly attribute that to the extra time it took to loot (a fully tanked AB 'geddon is faster than a fully tanked Raven, plus you'll end up fighting more BS enemies around 20km, so you can just loot with the tractor beam as you go).

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Leeloo Aran
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-04-17 13:33:38 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
I am looking for universal ship for lv4 missions in ammar, galente and mimatar space. What i found so far is that Machariel is the best (well atleast on paper) . Any pro mission runners can share there experience.




Well I use 2 ship types. First I fly in with a Navy Megathrone and kill of all electronic warfare frigates who might use weps and core destabilisers. With a decent armor tanking it makes a perma run of the 2 big reppers I use (I know bit crazy fitting). The Megathrone has lots of smal drones they are perfect for the frigs. Better then wasting ammunion. After all frigs are gone and some BCs, too, I warp in with a Navy Apocalypse or Abbadon and kill off all left BCs and BS in one rush. perfect for armor tanking.

But yeah sniping is also an option but you sacrafice defence for offence so you have a glass- sniper...
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