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FW: Ban Warp Core Stabs in Plexes
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#41 - 2013-03-30 00:10:47 UTC
Signed. WCS in plexes are used 99% for farming. And farming is not good for the game.

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Neal Altol
What Shall We Call It
#42 - 2013-03-30 00:54:41 UTC
I would say ban them but the number of times that just orbiting the beacon at 29km going 4km/sec and people fail to get into range of me makes me think that not having them wouldn't change anything.
Tara Tyrael
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
#43 - 2013-03-30 01:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Tyrael
REMOVE HIGHSEC.... oh wait, wrong thread...

REMOVE COVOPS... oh wait, its not about this...

REMOVE LOCAL CHAT!!! .... hm... still not correct topic...

Ah, yea, REMOVE WARP CORE STABS !!!

Also, CCP can you please make if I establish lock on enemy and if I have more DPS and tank then he insta blows up, seems only fair...
Jacid
The Upside Down
#44 - 2013-03-30 02:58:35 UTC
Arazu / Lachisis / Hictor / Keres / Interceptor of the point range variety .. nope definatly no counters to stabs at 30 K away going to quit eve now.. anybody thats interested in my stuff meet me on the rancer gate in low sec ill jet can it for you.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#45 - 2013-03-30 03:01:41 UTC
Takanuro wrote:
Faction Warfare is for PVP, this is how CCP market it.

Scenario:

You see a Tristan on scan at a novice plex. You warp to said plex and activate the gate. You discover it's a valid war target, lock target, activate Scram or Disruptor but wait.....War Target warps off.

My suggestion is that Warp Core Stabilisers are not capatible with the Acceleration gates into FW Plexes. If we are all here to PVP then Warp Core Stabilisers have no place in the combat arena. Tristans, Caracals, Vexors, Dragoons, that's just the last few ships I've come across that have been 'stabbed-up' to avoid combat.

This is just another tool for farmers, a situation that CCP is allowing to get way too far out of hand.

Having to fit 3 Warp Disruptors on my Condor just to try and point a target is crazy and gimps my ships against anything that actually might want to fight.

Please help the PVP pilots as people are losing faith in FW as a PVP environment.

p.s If you do make this change, please make sure that Ventures cannot get into plexes either.

Thank you. Taka.


Or you can fly a HIC with a T2 scripted point.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#46 - 2013-03-30 03:11:12 UTC
LOLMAD stab haters, double point > 2x stab. "know your enemy" if the enemy uses stabs you use double scram or scram+disrupt instead of whining about it!

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#47 - 2013-03-30 03:11:44 UTC
Alxea wrote:
Takanuro wrote:
Faction Warfare is for PVP, this is how CCP market it.

Scenario:

You see a Tristan on scan at a novice plex. You warp to said plex and activate the gate. You discover it's a valid war target, lock target, activate Scram or Disruptor but wait.....War Target warps off.

My suggestion is that Warp Core Stabilisers are not capatible with the Acceleration gates into FW Plexes. If we are all here to PVP then Warp Core Stabilisers have no place in the combat arena. Tristans, Caracals, Vexors, Dragoons, that's just the last few ships I've come across that have been 'stabbed-up' to avoid combat.

This is just another tool for farmers, a situation that CCP is allowing to get way too far out of hand.

Having to fit 3 Warp Disruptors on my Condor just to try and point a target is crazy and gimps my ships against anything that actually might want to fight.

Please help the PVP pilots as people are losing faith in FW as a PVP environment.

p.s If you do make this change, please make sure that Ventures cannot get into plexes either.

Thank you. Taka.


Or you can fly a HIC with a T2 scripted point.


Yay, well done for not having a clue! You won't get into the frigate plexes with these ships.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#48 - 2013-03-30 03:20:27 UTC
RavenTesio wrote:
[quote=Joelleaveek]

More importantly it doesn't solve the main issue that these null-sec carebears are destroying markets meant to cover the costs of OUR PvP ... not their costs of coming down whenever they're bored to squish us.

The changes to Faction Warfare, some of the ideas have been good; but frankly this focus on LP and ISK honestly has pissed me off since Inferno launched. I will guarentee as well the second the Gallente complete their final push to secure the last remaining systems under Caldari 'control' ... the LP farmers will again move somewhere else, likely the Minmatar or Amarr where they will once again apply their locus trade - destroy their war zone as well (far more than their current LP farmers have).

They are little more than locusts destroying the economy of the game and exploiting mechanics intended to help fund the Faction Warfare PvP. I guarentee within the next couple of months, probably before Fanfest we're going to be back at the situation we were originally (if we aren't already) where for the pilots who actually care about FW rather than those who are just trying to make a quick ISK; that Warzone control is effectively meaningless past bragging rights.



didn't this actually start when CCP let alliances sign up to FW? and then the goons came and messed it up made minmatar into the farmers place of choise for quite a while and gallente prospered by proxy.

id think remove alliances from FW once again could help fix or curb this trend or maybe if they have/hold SOV they cannot sign up to FW, that way smaller non SOV holders can join FW keeping it healthy(ish)

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#49 - 2013-03-30 04:30:34 UTC
Solution: Bend your fit to include two points, or use a stronger, more expensive one.

Easier, cheaper solution: Bring a friend. Or multiple friends. Many points will overwhelm a WCS, and in fact, the WCS will then be the millstone around the neck of your target making them an easier kill, IIRC.

Easiest, cheapest solution: Whine on the forums.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#50 - 2013-03-30 04:37:20 UTC
Great idea. Faction point on a cheap T1 frigate built to be lost in droves. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#51 - 2013-03-30 04:44:15 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Great idea. Faction point on a cheap T1 frigate built to be lost in droves. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.


See option two. Share the PvP with friends. It's not that hard.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#52 - 2013-03-30 04:48:52 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Great idea. Faction point on a cheap T1 frigate built to be lost in droves. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.


See option two. Share the PvP with friends. It's not that hard.


Sure. What if I want to fly solo? Why do you feel the need to defend a pure farming tactic?

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#53 - 2013-03-30 05:31:11 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Aglais wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Great idea. Faction point on a cheap T1 frigate built to be lost in droves. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.


See option two. Share the PvP with friends. It's not that hard.


Sure. What if I want to fly solo? Why do you feel the need to defend a pure farming tactic?


I may be missing some context here. How is being on the side of small gang PvP encouraging farming? I'm not trying to defend a 'pure farming tactic', I'm just saying that there are ways around cowards fitting WCS to their expendable frigates that they're sending into warzones, if you really want kills.
DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-03-30 05:42:57 UTC
I honestly think warp stabs should get a buff....Like, a buff that if you have enough warp stability you can warp out of bubbles, or even through them....Then again deep space transports would so abuse that with their 7+ warp stability ability =)

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#55 - 2013-03-30 09:05:37 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Aglais wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Great idea. Faction point on a cheap T1 frigate built to be lost in droves. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.


See option two. Share the PvP with friends. It's not that hard.


Sure. What if I want to fly solo? Why do you feel the need to defend a pure farming tactic?


I may be missing some context here. How is being on the side of small gang PvP encouraging farming? I'm not trying to defend a 'pure farming tactic', I'm just saying that there are ways around cowards fitting WCS to their expendable frigates that they're sending into warzones, if you really want kills.


OK, that's a reasonable response. I guess coming onto the forums straight after running into half a dozen WCS fit farmers isn't a good idea. :)

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Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#56 - 2013-03-30 14:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Onomerous
FW:

Does that mean freaking whiners?

Between this and the 'anyone neutral who enters a FW plex should automatically go suspect" idea... I suspect it is just a minor number of players in FW with these ideas but maybe not?

There are plenty of counters as mentioned already. Counter the stabs and prosper!!
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#57 - 2013-03-30 15:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
instead of making it harder to run, add a reason to stay.

backwards running timers if nobody is in the plex

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Mag's
Azn Empire
#58 - 2013-03-30 16:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Onomerous wrote:
FW:

Does that mean freaking whiners?

Between this and the 'anyone neutral who enters a FW plex should automatically go suspect" idea... I suspect it is just a minor number of players in FW with these ideas but maybe not?

There are plenty of counters as mentioned already. Counter the stabs and prosper!!
Indeed.

Nice necro Zappity. How about using the tools CCP provides? L2P

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#59 - 2013-05-17 10:16:58 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Onomerous wrote:
FW:

Does that mean freaking whiners?

Between this and the 'anyone neutral who enters a FW plex should automatically go suspect" idea... I suspect it is just a minor number of players in FW with these ideas but maybe not?

There are plenty of counters as mentioned already. Counter the stabs and prosper!!
Indeed.

Nice necro Zappity. How about using the tools CCP provides? L2P


Thanks Mag's. Here's another, just for you!

I just stumbled across a player in the Minnie TLF called "Plexy McAltAlt". Great name. I guess he's using the tools CCP is providing - maybe I should L2P his way.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#60 - 2013-05-17 10:20:46 UTC
I would say its emergent gameplay. CCP changed FW the way that your presence in plex is enough to achieve something, no shooting, no pvp, nothing at all, just your presence. So people fit their ships to fulfill FW purpose, being there while minimizing their losses and avoid any pvp (which isnt required for FW). All fine, at the current sheme of things, fitting stabs for farming FW is all right and makes sense.