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Deconstructing Eve

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#1 - 2013-03-29 14:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Games are typically designed with an idea as to what the players will do. Original Eve development had a theory of how game play would progress, in some cases the theories were correct, in others not so much.

How was Eve originally intended to be played? What progression did the developers envision? Did they have an idea as to what percentage of players would choose to mine and build as opposed to missioning and fighting?

One thing I'm pretty sure of is that having the right ship with the right fit for the task that a player wanted to perform was always key. Did the original development notes theorize that this kind of ship specialization would replace character classes, and that players would stick to one or two types of craft for the most part? Or did they just intend players to enjoy the ship building process and spend time designing ships for a specific task?

Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found.

How do you think the designers originally envisioned Eve? And are there advantages to trying to play that way today?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-03-29 14:42:43 UTC
It's a sandbox. You decide how to play.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-03-29 14:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary Me
An interesting interview from 2000, it doesn't answer all you questions, but gives a flavour of where they were heading:

http://www.rpgplanet.com/features/interviews/eve/

This one is taken from around the same time, with some more details:

http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/eve.shtml

Page 3 is quite interesting, especially the minimum PC requirementsSmile
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#4 - 2013-03-29 14:46:38 UTC
-Insert LOLitsasandbox answer here-

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#5 - 2013-03-29 14:58:52 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
-A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL-


How's that?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6 - 2013-03-29 15:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Primary Me wrote:
An interesting interview from 2000, it doesn't answer all you questions, but gives a flavour of where they were heading:

http://www.rpgplanet.com/features/interviews/eve/


Very interesting to read that, in the light of the last 13 years.

The abridged version is: EVE was to be a visually rich and mostly unexplored single shard universe where your ship was your avatar and killing other players was the ultima ratio of everything.

Obviously it has lasted 10 years in spite of its origin, rather than thanks to it. Lol
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#7 - 2013-03-29 15:03:41 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
-A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL-


How's that?



Works for me! Bear

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2013-03-29 15:17:06 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
-A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL-


How's that?




You guys have it all wrong.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#9 - 2013-03-29 15:22:44 UTC
Trying to apply any kind of 'standard progression model' to EVE is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I started Highsec ganking and moved out to 0.0 as a noob, never had to grind anything aside from some incursions and sleeper sites, neither of which really felt like a grind at all.

EVE Online, PVE optional, PVP mandatory.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-03-29 15:24:12 UTC
Freedom to be what we want to be.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2013-03-29 16:25:15 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found.


Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#12 - 2013-03-29 18:32:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found.


Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread.


I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-03-29 19:22:18 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found.


Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread.


I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you.



You're welcome.

The humor quotient capability is low in this one.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-29 19:30:33 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you.


Blocking is for the weak, just like your posting.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2013-03-29 19:35:13 UTC
This is how I derail threads:


Ultimate thread derailing pic

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2013-03-29 20:25:14 UTC
Eve was originally intended to be a free for all sandbox populated by ****s so that they can be ****s to each other.

Now Eve is a sandbox populated by ****s and people who whine about people being ****s and people who want to be ****s to the ****s and whole alliances dedicated to being ****s, with a DEV team dedicated to supposedly nerfing the ****s while themselves have alts planted in those alliances that are dedicated to being ****s. We also have a group of ****s who are elected to help the other ****s figure out what really needs to be changed in game so to appease the people who whine about the ****s.

So yeah. Eve...just a bunch of ****s being ****s.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-03-29 21:42:25 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Eve was originally intended to be a free for all sandbox populated by ****s so that they can be ****s to each other.

Now Eve is a sandbox populated by ****s and people who whine about people being ****s and people who want to be ****s to the ****s and whole alliances dedicated to being ****s, with a DEV team dedicated to supposedly nerfing the ****s while themselves have alts planted in those alliances that are dedicated to being ****s. We also have a group of ****s who are elected to help the other ****s figure out what really needs to be changed in game so to appease the people who whine about the ****s.

So yeah. Eve...just a bunch of ****s being ****s.



{{{applauds}}}

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-30 02:57:04 UTC
@Primary Me: great links, interesting to read!

Thorolfur Beck wrote:
Players will also be able to customize their ship quite extensively, both in outfitting them as well as in outward appearance. This includes altering various things on the ships, adding emblems and logos, changing their color, and more.


13 years later we're still not quite there yet Big smile

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2013-03-30 04:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
Greetings

This thread is already getting off to a bad start, lets keep the rhetoric and ranting to a minimum please.

On On

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#20 - 2013-03-30 06:55:15 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Trying to apply any kind of 'standard progression model' to EVE is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I started Highsec ganking and moved out to 0.0 as a noob, never had to grind anything aside from some incursions and sleeper sites, neither of which really felt like a grind at all.

EVE Online, PVE optional, PVP mandatory.


I think you have that totally wrong.

PVE optional, PVP optional

You do what you want look at all the people that just help out noobs, that trade etc. PVP isn't mandatory to enjoy this game at all.
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