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Should CCP Remove Fon Revedhort from the CSM Election?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#161 - 2013-03-29 13:32:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Does this person Rush have a Nobel prize or does he give speeches to the UN, or maybe he is an international lawyer helping countries in the writing of treaties?



Ya know. in my 3 years of EVE you are seriously the worst poster and troll....ever.

Congratulations.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frying Doom
#162 - 2013-03-29 13:32:39 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Boy, there sure are a lot of knuckleheads not understanding a single thing about 'rights' in this thread.

What is being missed (and dismissed) is the very fact that CCP is a business....NOT a government.

I'm sure throughout your life you have been in stores and restaurants that have a sign that says "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone".

That is the fundamental right of any Corporation or Business.

If such an entity finds that a 'customer' or 'someone' that has simply entered their premises should not receive their services, they have every right to make them leave. They can also do this if they feel that entity will harm their business.

Now, if such a business develops a pattern of doing this, say to a people of a particular skin color, a lawsuit can most indeed be initiated against that business for discrimination against a particular class.

But if a restaurant, say, deems that a person 'smells so bad' or something, or has 'no shoes or shirt on' and that it will have a negative affect on their business, they have every right to refuse to do business with that person.

This is the way the world works folks.

CCP has every right to not allow someone to operate within the confines of their business if they deem it harmful....or for any reason they choose.

Now, if they said no Russians can run for CSM, that would be a different issue.

But not allowing a certain individual to run for CSM is absolutely not a violation of that person's right.

None whatsoever.

You missed the law suits businesses have lost for refusing to serve people without a valid reason. Take for example African Americans in your country that have won suits based on racial descrimination.

So you might want to try that again.


I covered that ....which you would know if you bothered to read my post through.

Jesus H. Christ what a tool.


Edit: I highlighted it for your eyes sake.

Yes and we are back to your belief that one form of discrimination is better than another.

Yes their are organisations normally considered immune to discrimination laws, these are political parties and religions, CCP is neither.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#163 - 2013-03-29 13:33:22 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
well before Krixtal decided to be a **** about it.



Who, me ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#164 - 2013-03-29 13:34:06 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Yes and we are back to your belief that one form of discrimination is better than another.

Yes their are organisations normally considered immune to discrimination laws, these are political parties and religions, CCP is neither.



That is not my belief.

It is a fact of life and the law.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frying Doom
#165 - 2013-03-29 13:34:13 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Does this person Rush have a Nobel prize or does he give speeches to the UN, or maybe he is an international lawyer helping countries in the writing of treaties?



Ya know. in my 3 years of EVE you are seriously the worst poster and troll....ever.

Congratulations.

You still have not told me why this person is vital to know to have any understanding of politics but given the USA you probably consider him vital as he is a big mouth on a TV.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#166 - 2013-03-29 13:34:58 UTC
Pointless thread is pointless.

He won't be elected anyway.

People are not quite that dumb yet.

Almost.....but not quite.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2013-03-29 13:36:39 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Who, me ?


Yes, you. Had you actually ******* read the thread, you'd have saw that FD not knowing who Rush was in mynnna's example was already solved by mynnna explaining its relevance* (in which Rush himself wasn't all that relevant anyway). It wasn't until a page and hours after the fact to have a problem with it. Yeah, he's equally dumb for biting on it and going but you're just as dumb for starting it.

* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2809943#post2809943

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#168 - 2013-03-29 13:45:49 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
[quote=Krixtal Icefluxor] but you're just as dumb for starting it.

* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2809943#post2809943



Well....I do aim to please. Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Davader
Space Cleaners
The Gorgon Empire
#169 - 2013-03-29 13:46:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Exactly. And those who are most vocal about those beliefs do indeed act on them.

Again, I say, how do we know he has not been involved in horrific activities with whatever 'group' he is a member of.

History says to err on the side of caution in cases like this.

Imagine what would happen if he sits on the CSM and then some horrible information was discovered about his activities ......


Man, what's wrong with you? Again, it's a game about spaceships. Our characters of course are represented by real people behind, but we are here as pilots of space vehicles, capsuleers, etc. Let's concentrate on ingame issues, not on real life ones - there are a lot of forums and groups, where people are discussing politics, multiculturism, nation relations, etc. This game and forum is not about it.

Do you really care, what is the occupation of the CSM member, you've voted for? Do you want him to fix EVE ship balance or do you want to hear his thoughts about nation relations?
Frying Doom
#170 - 2013-03-29 13:48:10 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Yes and we are back to your belief that one form of discrimination is better than another.

Yes their are organisations normally considered immune to discrimination laws, these are political parties and religions, CCP is neither.



That is not my belief.

It is a fact of life and the law.

I will just put this here for you

United Kingdom employment equality law
United Kingdom employment equality law is a body of law which legislates against prejudice-based actions in the workplace. As an integral part of UK labour law it is unlawful to discriminate against a person because they have one of the "protected characteristics", which are, age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, race, religion or belief, sex, and sexual orientation. The primary legislation is the Equality Act 2010, which outlaws discrimination in access to education, public services, private goods and services or premises in addition to employment.

Denying him the ability to participate in the CSM which anyone else following the EULA and TOS while being over 21 is discriminating against him by a private service.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2013-03-29 13:48:18 UTC
Davader wrote:
Do you really care, what is the occupation of the CSM member, you've voted for? Do you want him to fix EVE ship balance or do you want to hear his thoughts about nation relations?


He's spent plenty of time giving us both, whether we wanted it or not. Why are you so confident he'll be able to put all of that aside if elected when so far, he hasn't?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#172 - 2013-03-29 13:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Snow Axe wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Who, me ?


Yes, you. Had you actually ******* read the thread, you'd have saw that FD not knowing who Rush was in mynnna's example was already solved by mynnna explaining its relevance* (in which Rush himself wasn't all that relevant anyway). It wasn't until a page and hours after the fact to have a problem with it. Yeah, he's equally dumb for biting on it and going but you're just as dumb for starting it.

* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2809943#post2809943

On that I will agree just let this thread die.

Edit. I must also add that I have spent so much time on this that I have not even had a chance to give Riverini crap yet. So there you go I have my priorities wrong Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2013-03-29 13:53:08 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
On that I will agree just let this thread die.


Nope, this thread (and any other threads about him) need to keep going until CCP acknowledges this one way or the other (either by banning him or saying we know about his belifs and he's still in and that's that). So far they've been playing the "hide and hope it all goes away" game, and that's just unacceptable.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#174 - 2013-03-29 13:55:57 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
On that I will agree just let this thread die.


Nope, this thread (and any other threads about him) need to keep going until CCP acknowledges this one way or the other (either by banning him or saying we know about his belifs and he's still in and that's that). So far they've been playing the "hide and hope it all goes away" game, and that's just unacceptable.

A clear and difinative response might be on its way in the candidates thread as a dev is writing a response there, but I think I am dreaming if they actually give a real answer.

Just look at how long to get a straight answer about POSs

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2013-03-29 13:57:58 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
A clear and difinative response might be on its way in the candidates thread as a dev is writing a response there, but I think I am dreaming if they actually give a real answer.

Just look at how long to get a straight answer about POSs


Yeah, I saw that, and ot be fair, POS'es are quite a bit more complex an issue than "do we want a neo-nazi representing our company and our players?" ;)

We're going to get something definitive here. What I have no idea, but it'll be something.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Davader
Space Cleaners
The Gorgon Empire
#176 - 2013-03-29 13:59:38 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
He's spent plenty of time giving us both, whether we wanted it or not. Why are you so confident he'll be able to put all of that aside if elected when so far, he hasn't?


I think if Fon will be elected to CSM and then will demonstrate some inadmissible things, then he will be just taken out by CCP.

Mittani's story last year showed how CCP reacted on any violations of CSM members. So, I'm completely unworried about this in case of Fon Revedhoft.
Frying Doom
#177 - 2013-03-29 14:10:31 UTC
Quite an except able response from CCP on the other thread.

Nice to see.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2013-03-29 14:16:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Quite an except able response from CCP on the other thread.

Nice to see.


It's not even a response, it's saying a response is coming. More than a little disconcerting that his primary concern is with people "crossing the line" when they still have his nazi-laden PVP video directly attached to his candidacy page, though. You would think that someone attaching 14/88 and other nazi bullshit all over CCP property in an attempt to promote himself would be more of a concern, but I guess this IS CCP we're talking about here.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#179 - 2013-03-29 14:27:28 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Quite an except able response from CCP on the other thread.

Nice to see.


It's not even a response, it's saying a response is coming. More than a little disconcerting that his primary concern is with people "crossing the line" when they still have his ****-laden PVP video directly attached to his candidacy page, though. You would think that someone attaching 14/88 and other **** bullshit all over CCP property in an attempt to promote himself would be more of a concern, but I guess this IS CCP we're talking about here.

No I for once are happy that they are taking their time to do this right, rather than just some knee jerk reaction, like the ones they normally do.

Frankly I hope they decide his posts breach the EULA and kick his arose out, and they did something similar prior to giving The Mittani that ban.

Well here is hoping.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2013-03-29 14:35:36 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
No I for once are happy that they are taking their time to do this right, rather than just some knee jerk reaction, like the ones they normally do.

Frankly I hope they decide his posts breach the EULA and kick his arose out, and they did something similar prior to giving The Mittani that ban.

Well here is hoping.


If that was the case at all, they wouldn't have waited until today to say anything. Much like the Mittani situation (it took them days to levy their punishment), they were hiding and hoping it'd all just go away on its own. Now that it's not, they've actually got to make a decision.

The sad part is they've had a year to do it - Fon ran last year and the same thing happened last year as well (though they were far more aggressive in editing out any references to his beliefs).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["