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Should CCP Remove Fon Revedhort from the CSM Election?

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Frying Doom
#141 - 2013-03-29 08:33:51 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Ah nice one the Bismark was a **** ship.


I would have gone with Castle Wolfenstein with Fon's avatar, creating all the zombie ****'s.

Then shows an arm and hand in bioshock style, armed with an UN cannon of human rights taking down the **** zombies.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q96-Ddg02B4/UOW3eMSMZXI/AAAAAAAATnE/zA-jccldS5A/s400/LordHeeHaw.png
With the caption
"Do we really want more of this on the CSM"
"A vote for Fon Revedhort makes you just as big an Ass":

Jim Carrey, Hee-Haw skit

Thanks for reminding me about hee haw.

Or show an ad, of H*tler throwing a poke ball, and Fon comes out to attack the brown skin sympathizers.

That was a good one.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
duckmonster
Perkone
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-03-29 09:55:16 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed a racist comment from this thread.


You forgot to remove the racist candidate from the election.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#143 - 2013-03-29 11:01:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Sorry I have no idea who Rush Limbaugh is.




.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-03-29 11:09:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?


If you're not American I can see not having a clue who he is (let alone why his name would be invoked).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#145 - 2013-03-29 11:10:53 UTC
Boy, there sure are a lot of knuckleheads not understanding a single thing about 'rights' in this thread.

What is being missed (and dismissed) is the very fact that CCP is a business....NOT a government.

I'm sure throughout your life you have been in stores and restaurants that have a sign that says "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone".

That is the fundamental right of any Corporation or Business.

If such an entity finds that a 'customer' or 'someone' that has simply entered their premises should not receive their services, they have every right to make them leave. They can also do this if they feel that entity will harm their business.

Now, if such a business develops a pattern of doing this, say to a people of a particular skin color, a lawsuit can most indeed be initiated against that business for discrimination against a particular class.

But if a restaurant, say, deems that a person 'smells so bad' or something, or has 'no shoes or shirt on' and that it will have a negative affect on their business, they have every right to refuse to do business with that person.

This is the way the world works folks.

CCP has every right to not allow someone to operate within the confines of their business if they deem it harmful....or for any reason they choose.

Now, if they said no Russians can run for CSM, that would be a different issue.

But not allowing a certain individual to run for CSM is absolutely not a violation of that person's right.

None whatsoever.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#146 - 2013-03-29 11:11:19 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?


If you're not American I can see not having a clue who he is (let alone why his name would be invoked).



There is this thing. It's called Google.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-03-29 11:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There is this thing. It's called Google.


Sure, but if you're invoking a name to prove a point, you can't expect others to research who that is. Frying Doom (presumably not American) didn't get an American-centric example, which leaves us with two options:

1. Explain the relevance of the name/situation and why it matters (which mynnna did), or

2. Pitch a fit because they didn't get the reference and didn't try to research why it was relevant (which you just did)

Guess which one is more likely to work?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Davader
Space Cleaners
The Gorgon Empire
#148 - 2013-03-29 11:54:56 UTC
Of course, Fon Revedhort should be allowed to be elected to CSM.

We're all playing in the internet spaceships game, right? So, CSM people give EVE community a "bridge" to devs. Give an ability for CCP to see players reaction on future game changes and give players an ability to know something more than devblogs by CSM minutes, etc.

Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate? Are we elect a real goverment? No guys, it's still a game about spaceships... in the internet...

So it's completely wrong to sort CSM candidates by their not EVE-related preferences. All what is not related to EVE is not related to CSM (your Captain Obvious).

Such discussions and posts like 'do not vote for Fon, cuz he has specious views on non EVE themes' would produce the result, that we will have same CSM guys, who are not skilled pvpers, who were in real pvp 5 years ago last time, who don't care about solo\small scape pvp, don't care about low sec systems, etc. We will have same null-sec blobers.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2013-03-29 12:39:05 UTC
Davader wrote:
Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate?.


Ask him why he brought it up, why he used nazi music in his PVP videos. We wouldn't have a clue about his "leanings" if it wasn't for him going out of his way to tell us.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Davader
Space Cleaners
The Gorgon Empire
#150 - 2013-03-29 12:49:40 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Ask him why he brought it up, why he used **** music in his PVP videos. We wouldn't have a clue about his "leanings" if it wasn't for him going out of his way to tell us.


Perhaps it was trolling. But you guys have started such a burst of indignation, lol Twisted Especially one person of current CSM, mr 2step Smile

These walls of blaming posts look like more as a try to use 'black' methods of election company, than as a real thing, cuz in fact normal EVE players don't care about real life stuff in CSM candidates, they care about the ability of this CSm member to do his job and make our EVE better.
Frying Doom
#151 - 2013-03-29 13:12:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Sorry I have no idea who Rush Limbaugh is.




.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?

Knowledge of people in the United states has very little to do with the rest of the world. Take for example the stv system being used for the CSM, not made in america. For a good laugh at people from the United States and their limited views on the rest of the world look up the legal notices sent to the pirate bay. That sums up the fact very well that even professionals from the USA don't seem to realise there is a whole world that does not concern the USA.

I find it comical that you consider a knowledge of this rush Limbaugh person a requirement to know anything about world politicsLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#152 - 2013-03-29 13:17:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Boy, there sure are a lot of knuckleheads not understanding a single thing about 'rights' in this thread.

What is being missed (and dismissed) is the very fact that CCP is a business....NOT a government.

I'm sure throughout your life you have been in stores and restaurants that have a sign that says "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone".

That is the fundamental right of any Corporation or Business.

If such an entity finds that a 'customer' or 'someone' that has simply entered their premises should not receive their services, they have every right to make them leave. They can also do this if they feel that entity will harm their business.

Now, if such a business develops a pattern of doing this, say to a people of a particular skin color, a lawsuit can most indeed be initiated against that business for discrimination against a particular class.

But if a restaurant, say, deems that a person 'smells so bad' or something, or has 'no shoes or shirt on' and that it will have a negative affect on their business, they have every right to refuse to do business with that person.

This is the way the world works folks.

CCP has every right to not allow someone to operate within the confines of their business if they deem it harmful....or for any reason they choose.

Now, if they said no Russians can run for CSM, that would be a different issue.

But not allowing a certain individual to run for CSM is absolutely not a violation of that person's right.

None whatsoever.

You missed the law suits businesses have lost for refusing to serve people without a valid reason. Take for example African Americans in your country that have won suits based on racial descrimination.

So you might want to try that again.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#153 - 2013-03-29 13:18:49 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Davader wrote:
Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate?.


Ask him why he brought it up, why he used **** music in his PVP videos. We wouldn't have a clue about his "leanings" if it wasn't for him going out of his way to tell us.

I would have gone for the fact it must be relevant or CCP would not release peoples real names.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#154 - 2013-03-29 13:21:17 UTC
Davader wrote:
Of course, Fon Revedhort should be allowed to be elected to CSM.

We're all playing in the internet spaceships game, right? So, CSM people give EVE community a "bridge" to devs. Give an ability for CCP to see players reaction on future game changes and give players an ability to know something more than devblogs by CSM minutes, etc.

Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate? Are we elect a real goverment? No guys, it's still a game about spaceships... in the internet...

So it's completely wrong to sort CSM candidates by their not EVE-related preferences. All what is not related to EVE is not related to CSM (your Captain Obvious).

Such discussions and posts like 'do not vote for Fon, cuz he has specious views on non EVE themes' would produce the result, that we will have same CSM guys, who are not skilled pvpers, who were in real pvp 5 years ago last time, who don't care about solo\small scape pvp, don't care about low sec systems, etc. We will have same null-sec blobers.



You are utterly blind to the fact that CCP has a right to protect it's business.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-03-29 13:22:41 UTC
Davader wrote:
These walls of blaming posts look like more as a try to use 'black' methods of election company, than as a real thing, cuz in fact normal EVE players don't care about real life stuff in CSM candidates, they care about the ability of this CSm member to do his job and make our EVE better.


Right, and believe it or not, that's one of the things people opposing him care about as well - the ability of the CSM itself (i.e. not just Fon, but everyone else who may have to work with him, both elected CSM and CCP staff) to be able to do their jobs and make this game better. To that end, we oppose his even being allowed to stand, as not only does he have rather repugnant and hateful views, he's shown himself to be quite open with them. When you're dealing with what is going to potentially be a multinational, multicultural elected body, that's a pretty big concern.

I would've thought that would be obvious but apparently it needs explaining over and over again.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#156 - 2013-03-29 13:23:41 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Davader wrote:
Why the f*** do we discuss the real life views of CSM candidate?.


Ask him why he brought it up, why he used **** music in his PVP videos. We wouldn't have a clue about his "leanings" if it wasn't for him going out of his way to tell us.



Exactly. And those who are most vocal about those beliefs do indeed act on them.

Again, I say, how do we know he has not been involved in horrific activities with whatever 'group' he is a member of.

History says to err on the side of caution in cases like this.

Imagine what would happen if he sits on the CSM and then some horrible information was discovered about his activities ......

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#157 - 2013-03-29 13:25:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Sorry I have no idea who Rush Limbaugh is.




.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?

Knowledge of people in the United states has very little to do with the rest of the world. Take for example the stv system being used for the CSM, not made in america. For a good laugh at people from the United States and their limited views on the rest of the world look up the legal notices sent to the pirate bay. That sums up the fact very well that even professionals from the USA don't seem to realise there is a whole world that does not concern the USA.

I find it comical that you consider a knowledge of this rush Limbaugh person a requirement to know anything about world politicsLol



I've been in bars here in San Francisco with plenty of British tourists who have actually discussed him. Next.

Don't denigrate the knowledge of whomever who lives wherever you are.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#158 - 2013-03-29 13:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Frying Doom wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Boy, there sure are a lot of knuckleheads not understanding a single thing about 'rights' in this thread.

What is being missed (and dismissed) is the very fact that CCP is a business....NOT a government.

I'm sure throughout your life you have been in stores and restaurants that have a sign that says "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone".

That is the fundamental right of any Corporation or Business.

If such an entity finds that a 'customer' or 'someone' that has simply entered their premises should not receive their services, they have every right to make them leave. They can also do this if they feel that entity will harm their business.

Now, if such a business develops a pattern of doing this, say to a people of a particular skin color, a lawsuit can most indeed be initiated against that business for discrimination against a particular class.

But if a restaurant, say, deems that a person 'smells so bad' or something, or has 'no shoes or shirt on' and that it will have a negative affect on their business, they have every right to refuse to do business with that person.

This is the way the world works folks.

CCP has every right to not allow someone to operate within the confines of their business if they deem it harmful....or for any reason they choose.

Now, if they said no Russians can run for CSM, that would be a different issue.

But not allowing a certain individual to run for CSM is absolutely not a violation of that person's right.

None whatsoever.

You missed the law suits businesses have lost for refusing to serve people without a valid reason. Take for example African Americans in your country that have won suits based on racial descrimination.

So you might want to try that again.


I covered that ....which you would know if you bothered to read my post through.

Jesus H. Christ what a tool.


Edit: I highlighted it for your eyes sake.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frying Doom
#159 - 2013-03-29 13:30:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Sorry I have no idea who Rush Limbaugh is.




.....and you are seriously trying to demonstrate a working knowledge of politics based upon experience ? Seriously ?

Knowledge of people in the United states has very little to do with the rest of the world. Take for example the stv system being used for the CSM, not made in america. For a good laugh at people from the United States and their limited views on the rest of the world look up the legal notices sent to the pirate bay. That sums up the fact very well that even professionals from the USA don't seem to realise there is a whole world that does not concern the USA.

I find it comical that you consider a knowledge of this rush Limbaugh person a requirement to know anything about world politicsLol



I've been in bars here in San Francisco with plenty of British tourists who have actually discussed him. Next.

Don't denigrate the knowledge of whomever who lives wherever you are.

My apologies I did not know that British tourists visiting your country were political masterminds by knowing someone who you seem to be relevant to world pilots.

Does this person Rush have a Nobel prize or does he give speeches to the UN, or maybe he is an international lawyer helping countries in the writing of treaties?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-03-29 13:31:55 UTC
Could both of you seriously shut the **** up about Rush Limbaugh? The entire point of even bringing him up was explained by mynnna (and understood by Frying Doom) well before Krixtal decided to be a **** about it. Let it go already.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["