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Darius Caliente
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-03-28 06:08:54 UTC
I'd like to see logic added to the game so that webs are not considered acts of aggression (at least not by default). It's not uncommon to web freighters and other large ships to help them warp faster but that can be deadly if your alt and main aren't in the same alliance. Sure the duel option had made it easier, but it removes the possibility of earning isk on major trade routes by selling web services (since people aren't going to accept random duels but they may be willing to pay 50M to warp off the gate faster).

If the mechanics were changed so that webs were only considered aggression when applies to ships that are already aggressed, they'd be much more useful and create interesting situations.

1. You could web friends / alts without the need to duel.
2. You could sell your services as a "professional webber", webbing people off gates.
3. PvP would still see webs act as aggression (since the ship would aggress).
4. When a ship that's being webbed is aggressed, the webs would react based on safety level:
--- Safety Green: Webs Disable
--- Safety Yellow: Webs Disable in High-Sec, Remain Active in Low-Sec
--- Safety Red: Webs Remain Active
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-03-28 07:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Soooooo... you want to introduce a way for random people to slow down other people... no aggro... no CONCORD... just... allow people to do it for any old reason they wish?

I don't think you've thought this through consequences-wise (hint: people won't use it the way you intend) (extra hint: some ships have bonuses that increase web strength to 90% velocity reduction) (edit: one more hint: the server cannot distinguish a "friendly web" from a "hostile web").

How did you Veterans start?
Darius Caliente
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-03-28 08:06:33 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Soooooo... you want to introduce a way for random people to slow down other people... no aggro... no CONCORD... just... allow people to do it for any old reason they wish?

I don't think you've thought this through consequences-wise (hint: people won't use it the way you intend) (extra hint: some ships have bonuses that increase web strength to 90% velocity reduction) (edit: one more hint: the server cannot distinguish a "friendly web" from a "hostile web").


You seem to be the one who isn't thinking this through...
-- Who cares about ship bonuses, it has the same outcome regardless of bonus.
-- Who cares if you slow people down? It's not detrimental.
----- It's not a new way to grief miners... since bumping would do the same.
----- it doesn't prevent you from warping... since you'll warp faster.
-- I've already provided the logic for how to determine a "friendly web" vs a "hostile web"
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-28 08:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSkeptic
Darius Caliente wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Soooooo... you want to introduce a way for random people to slow down other people... no aggro... no CONCORD... just... allow people to do it for any old reason they wish?

I don't think you've thought this through consequences-wise (hint: people won't use it the way you intend) (extra hint: some ships have bonuses that increase web strength to 90% velocity reduction) (edit: one more hint: the server cannot distinguish a "friendly web" from a "hostile web").


You seem to be the one who isn't thinking this through...
-- Who cares about ship bonuses, it has the same outcome regardless of bonus.
-- Who cares if you slow people down? It's not detrimental.
----- It's not a new way to grief miners... since bumping would do the same.
----- it doesn't prevent you from warping... since you'll warp faster.
-- I've already provided the logic for how to determine a "friendly web" vs a "hostile web"


Get a few daredevils and you could web an AP freighter down to 0ms giving your gank crew much more time to move systems and gank it.

It is actually you not thinking this through, you have tunnel vision about how you'd like to use it but fail to think of the bigger picture of how it'll be abused.

Edit: hint, the issue lies in the approach to the outgate

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StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#5 - 2013-03-28 08:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Darius Caliente wrote:
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You seem to be the one who isn't thinking this through...
-- Who cares about ship bonuses, it has the same outcome regardless of bonus.
-- Who cares if you slow people down? It's not detrimental.
----- It's not a new way to grief miners... since bumping would do the same.
----- it doesn't prevent you from warping... since you'll warp faster.
-- I've already provided the logic for how to determine a "friendly web" vs a "hostile web"


I see afk-freigthers moving with 5m / s towards a gate.

Also: You´re allready able to web corpmates.

My true stories
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#6 - 2013-03-28 09:01:28 UTC
The sheer lack of imagination displayed in this..... I hope it's not contagious... I'd have to start again with children's coloring books and work my way back up...

And 50M to enter warp faster... stop doing drugs, you're hallucinating.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#7 - 2013-03-28 10:13:46 UTC
You are an idiot if you think webbing isnt hostile.

Also just duel your freighter
Darius Caliente
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-03-28 13:58:42 UTC
So we've got two people here worried about AFK freighters? I'd say it just adds to the risk you take if you want to AP your freighter.

As for the duel suggestion: you end up a weapons timer and get hung up on the next gate, gaining you nothing. The Duel option only works if you're talking about a single gate.

As for laughing at using it to make isk... have you seen the things people will pay for in EVE?
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#9 - 2013-03-28 14:02:41 UTC
Darius Caliente wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Soooooo... you want to introduce a way for random people to slow down other people... no aggro... no CONCORD... just... allow people to do it for any old reason they wish?

I don't think you've thought this through consequences-wise (hint: people won't use it the way you intend) (extra hint: some ships have bonuses that increase web strength to 90% velocity reduction) (edit: one more hint: the server cannot distinguish a "friendly web" from a "hostile web").


You seem to be the one who isn't thinking this through...
-- Who cares about ship bonuses, it has the same outcome regardless of bonus.
-- Who cares if you slow people down? It's not detrimental.
----- It's not a new way to grief miners... since bumping would do the same.
----- it doesn't prevent you from warping... since you'll warp faster.
-- I've already provided the logic for how to determine a "friendly web" vs a "hostile web"

sure, it will have absolutely no effect on a combat if i web a kitter with my vigilant, how could it have any effect?
or if i just web someone who is getting out of point range from a slower ship......
Sigras
Conglomo
#10 - 2013-03-28 14:25:30 UTC
it can easily be used to keep people from warping off; it just takes some additional coordination

bump them so theyre not aligned,
web them so they slow down, and then monitor their speed to see when they get close to warping off then turn off the web.
lather rinse repeat

this would give unlimited time for people to come from far away to gank a slow ship. . .
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-28 15:08:01 UTC
the only changes i want to see to webs are strength nerf and a slight range reduction too.

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2013-03-28 16:03:18 UTC
so ppl shouldnt auto-pilot...ever? they should all sit at their keyboard for hours while hauling with a freighter. its not that they have lives or jobs or anything...

it is also a lot easier to just put a couple of webs on a miner after bumping him, than it is to keep bumping him. u also dnt need a particularly fast or heavy ship, a noob frig could do it.

and just because a ship isnt currently aggro'd, doesnt mean it is not in a fight. Logi could be webbed into place before they transfer reps.

if u had thought about the possible effects this idea would have for a whole second u would have slapped urself.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#13 - 2013-03-28 16:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
i don't know why, but i was pretty sure OP was flying one of those web bonused ship, for making such a proposal.

guess what: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16844177

a gallente pilot, who fly serpentis ships shall well know why a stasis need to draw aggro upon the user, and you are just crying to turn your ships from awesome pvp boat to Overpowered boat, this is bad and you shall feel bad.
DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-28 16:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DataRunner Attor
seth Hendar wrote:
i don't know why, but i was pretty sure OP was flying one of those web bonused ship, for making such a proposal.

guess what: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16844177

a gallente pilot, who fly serpentis ships shall well know why a stasis need to draw aggro upon the user, and you are just crying to turn your ships from awesome pvp boat to Overpowered boat, this is bad and you shall feel bad.



:Snip:

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#15 - 2013-03-29 01:19:36 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
i don't know why, but i was pretty sure OP was flying one of those web bonused ship, for making such a proposal.

guess what: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16844177

a gallente pilot, who fly serpentis ships shall well know why a stasis need to draw aggro upon the user, and you are just crying to turn your ships from awesome pvp boat to Overpowered boat, this is bad and you shall feel bad.


60k damage? sweet lord, logi much?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#16 - 2013-03-29 01:43:13 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
You are an idiot if you think webbing isnt hostile.

Also just duel your freighter

This

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Luc Chastot
#17 - 2013-03-29 01:44:12 UTC
Yes please! I can sell my services as a full time webber in highsec to corps at war. Just warp in with their fleet, web their targets with my web bonused ship and give them the advantage.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Darius Caliente
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-03-29 04:53:45 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
You are an idiot if you think webbing isnt hostile.

Also just duel your freighter

This


The problem with this is gate aggro. It's impossible to keep up with the freighter.
Darius Caliente
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-03-29 04:54:03 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
i don't know why, but i was pretty sure OP was flying one of those web bonused ship, for making such a proposal.

guess what: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16844177

a gallente pilot, who fly serpentis ships shall well know why a stasis need to draw aggro upon the user, and you are just crying to turn your ships from awesome pvp boat to Overpowered boat, this is bad and you shall feel bad.


60k damage? sweet lord, logi much?


It's off-topic, but no logi :D
Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#20 - 2013-03-29 09:28:53 UTC
Webs are aggressive combat modules. That they can be used also to help slow ships warp off faster is not their intended use. Webs work well and as they were intended to work.

Leave them alone.

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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