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Cloaky Proteus Nullsec roamer
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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-28 04:47:01 UTC
Hey all,

I've been thinking about putting together a cloaky proteus and roaming about. I'm pretty much interested in just about anything in terms of targets. I'd like to use it for any targets of opportunity, and if nothing can be found, hit up some belts to shoot at something.

What I'm having a hard time trying to decide on is the tank. Obviously a buffer tanked proteus can be pretty wicked with a HUGE buffer. But if I am deep in enemy space I will have no way to rep that damage back up. I could go with a buffer and small armor rep but it feels almost like wasting a slot.

Or I can go with a full active tank. It has the advantage of fixing combat damage, but not the huge tank of a buffer tank. I would be able to pick my targets so maybe this isn't as much of an issue.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-03-28 06:11:10 UTC
Main advantage of active tank is mobility, but I also think +1600 hp/s active tank is enough for a variety of situation. As a bonus you can do PVE in it as well.

MAAR+800mm plate is a good-looking compromise as well, nice tank and some buffer without compromising mobility.

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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-03-28 12:14:44 UTC
Nanite paste, for the reps?Idea
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-28 13:33:39 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Nanite paste, for the reps?Idea


Nanite paste won't repair armor damage just damaged mods from overheating
FortyEight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-03-28 13:53:56 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Nanite paste, for the reps?Idea


Nanite paste won't repair armor damage just damaged mods from overheating


And also for the Aux Armor rep....to repair armor damage
Praxximus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-28 15:40:26 UTC
if you're planning to run more or less solo and you're going fairly deep into null (meaning several jumps from anywhere you'd be able to dock up and repair) then an active tank is probably the way to go.

buffer tank PvP proteus fits (or really any ship for that matter) are intended for either A. single engagements after which you'll go repair someplace or B. engagements where you have logistics support to repair your battle damage. If you are on your own, you'll need a way to patch yourself up and keep on truckin.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-28 17:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Active is fine. Mind the cap usage. Although speed is not a factor. Pick only single targets and decloak on top of them. Use void, the faster it pops the faster you can get out.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-28 17:46:48 UTC
FortyEight wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Nanite paste, for the reps?Idea


Nanite paste won't repair armor damage just damaged mods from overheating


And also for the Aux Armor rep....to repair armor damage


Yes, but irrelevant for this thread. If I go active i would likely not use an AAR anyhow since that is yet more consumables I have to carry and potentially run out of deep in 0.0.

The point was how to best tank in a sustainable fashion.

I can go full passive, and my fit I think (going from memory) has about 120k EHP
I can go active, and get a usable tank (would have to play)
I can go hybrid, passive tank with a small AR to rep between battles. I still end up around 87k EHP.

I'm guessing active would be fine though since I would be able to pick my fights.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#9 - 2013-03-28 22:03:04 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Yes, but irrelevant for this thread. If I go active i would likely not use an AAR anyhow since that is yet more consumables I have to carry and potentially run out of deep in 0.0.


Paste is miniscule. Don't rule out the AAR because it uses a consumable. You can run the AAR outside of combat to repair damage without using up any paste. You will run out of ammo long before paste becomes a problem.

Some first-hand PI tips
Corran Thorran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-28 22:33:10 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Active is fine. Mind the cap usage. Although speed is not a factor. Pick only single targets and decloak on top of them. Use void, the faster it pops the faster you can get out.

Actually, if he can afford it caldari navy antimatter is the way to go
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-03-29 00:45:03 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Yes, but irrelevant for this thread. If I go active i would likely not use an AAR anyhow since that is yet more consumables I have to carry and potentially run out of deep in 0.0.


Paste is miniscule. Don't rule out the AAR because it uses a consumable. You can run the AAR outside of combat to repair damage without using up any paste. You will run out of ammo long before paste becomes a problem.


I never said I was ruling out the AAR. Geez

But the point of the thread wasn't MAR vs MAAR. It was more passive, active or hybrid tank. For active tank the use of which module becomes more of a fitting issue.

I am leaning more towards just and active tank, as it gives more flexibility. Being able to pick my fights should allow me to avoid situations where I need the buffer against an alpha situation.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-29 00:45:37 UTC
Corran Thorran wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Active is fine. Mind the cap usage. Although speed is not a factor. Pick only single targets and decloak on top of them. Use void, the faster it pops the faster you can get out.

Actually, if he can afford it caldari navy antimatter is the way to go



Yea isk isn't an issue.
Wash Hemah
Walden 2.0
#13 - 2013-03-29 01:53:43 UTC
I think your definition of "Cloaky Proteus" needs to be addressed here... do you want like a covert ops cloak proteus, or just a normal fit with an Improved Cloak?

Also, would you be fitting the Interdiction nullifier subsystem (because of nullsec)? That will put a lot of pressure on your low slots, lol.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-29 02:39:41 UTC
Wash Hemah wrote:
I think your definition of "Cloaky Proteus" needs to be addressed here... do you want like a covert ops cloak proteus, or just a normal fit with an Improved Cloak?

Also, would you be fitting the Interdiction nullifier subsystem (because of nullsec)? That will put a lot of pressure on your low slots, lol.


Covert ops proteus. Not sure on the nullifier. It would make flying easier but I agree it limits your options.

I have a fit I use for wormhole roaming. But it is buffer fit.
Wash Hemah
Walden 2.0
#15 - 2013-03-29 03:26:17 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Wash Hemah wrote:
I think your definition of "Cloaky Proteus" needs to be addressed here... do you want like a covert ops cloak proteus, or just a normal fit with an Improved Cloak?

Also, would you be fitting the Interdiction nullifier subsystem (because of nullsec)? That will put a lot of pressure on your low slots, lol.


Covert ops proteus. Not sure on the nullifier. It would make flying easier but I agree it limits your options.

I have a fit I use for wormhole roaming. But it is buffer fit.


Any particular reason you want to use covert ops over improved cloak? Seems like you can get a ton more DPS using the hybrid propulsion fit with an improved cloak II, and just use mwd+cloak trick to get around.

If you have the interdiction nullifier subsystem in, you'll have no room to put any kind of tank and reasonable DPS if you use the covert ops subsys :P
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-29 03:29:36 UTC
Wash Hemah wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Wash Hemah wrote:
I think your definition of "Cloaky Proteus" needs to be addressed here... do you want like a covert ops cloak proteus, or just a normal fit with an Improved Cloak?

Also, would you be fitting the Interdiction nullifier subsystem (because of nullsec)? That will put a lot of pressure on your low slots, lol.


Covert ops proteus. Not sure on the nullifier. It would make flying easier but I agree it limits your options.

I have a fit I use for wormhole roaming. But it is buffer fit.


Any particular reason you want to use covert ops over improved cloak? Seems like you can get a ton more DPS using the hybrid propulsion fit with an improved cloak II, and just use mwd+cloak trick to get around.

If you have the interdiction nullifier subsystem in, you'll have no room to put any kind of tank and reasonable DPS if you use the covert ops subsys :P



I dunno. I've spent most of the last 2 years in wormholes, so I have enjoyed the cloaky stalking thing.