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Verfanny
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#21 - 2013-03-28 17:26:32 UTC
Where in hell do you guys find the time to think about those questions?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-28 17:37:26 UTC
Grayson Cole wrote:
There are several null bears in the candidate pool, and most of them will get "elected".

Isn't that enough?


Why do you have elected in quote marks?

Are you suggesting that the null bears are engaged in a nefarious plot to cast their votes for their own candidates, thus ensuring they win an election? I for one cannot believe even they would stoop so low.
Frying Doom
#23 - 2013-03-28 17:44:46 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


Handbook on European non-discrimination law wrote:

3.5.2.
Political participation: freedom of expression, assembly and association, and free elections
one of the main goals of the Council of Europe is the promotion of democracy.
This is reflected in many of the rights in the ECHR which facilitate the promotion
of political participation. While EU law confers a limited range of rights in this
respect (in particular the right for EU nationals to vote in municipal elections and
European parliament elections), the ECHR contains broader guarantees creating not
only a right to vote and stand in elections, but also flanking rights of freedom of
expression and the right to freedom of assembly and association.

Example: in the case of Bączkowski and Others v. Poland, discussed above, the
refusal of permission to hold a march to raise awareness about sexual orientation discrimination, coupled with publicly made homophobic remarks of the mayor, amounted to a violation of the right to freedom of assembly (Article 11)
together with Article 14.

The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection
for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level
of protection against interference.


So preventing someone from standing on the basis of their political beliefs would frankly just get CCP sued with a high probability of losing.


If that is true about EU & political beliefs how come you can still get thrown in jail in Germany for giving the old Hitlergruß salute?

EDIT: how come in the OP Neo-**** is not censored & in mine it is?

Because the law he is quoting specificly refers to government intervention in political office.

Basically, he's ~internet lawyering~ and getting it wrong.

For instance, in the UK, students have been expelled for giving the Hitler salute in schools. Surely not, according to Frying Doom!

Ok once again on a different thread

This is a treaty, a treaty is an article signed by a countries government that means that it will sculpt its laws to those that follow the treaty.

Easy example you cannot remain a signatory of the Non-nuclear proliferation treaty if you sign it and then write a law that says "We will give plutonium to any countries that pay us more than 10 Million dollars.

subsequently any breach by an EU country can cause the case to be handled be EU courts, for breaches of that treaty.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-03-28 17:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
frying doom if ccp was unable to kick someone off the csm because ~freedom of expression rights~ or w/e mittani'd still be [s]chairman[s/]

e: on the csm* he resigned as chair irrc it doesn't make a difference anyway
Frying Doom
#25 - 2013-03-28 17:52:37 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
frying doom if ccp was unable to kick someone off the csm because ~freedom of expression rights~ or w/e mittani'd still be [s]chairman[s/]

e: on the csm* he resigned as chair irrc it doesn't make a difference anyway

Freedom of speech does not include what was done their joking or not, plus then it entered EULA. As it was not a section covered by any law governing his religious or political beliefs.

He resigned from CSM5 and was excluded from being able to be a member of CSM 6.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Josef Djugashvilis
#26 - 2013-03-28 17:54:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
As the servers and these forums are held in England a strong case could be made for the inforcement of EU law in regards to anti-discrimination

So

Handbook on European non-discrimination law wrote:

3.5.2.
Political participation: freedom of expression, assembly and association, and free elections
one of the main goals of the Council of Europe is the promotion of democracy.
This is reflected in many of the rights in the ECHR which facilitate the promotion
of political participation. While EU law confers a limited range of rights in this
respect (in particular the right for EU nationals to vote in municipal elections and
European parliament elections), the ECHR contains broader guarantees creating not
only a right to vote and stand in elections, but also flanking rights of freedom of
expression and the right to freedom of assembly and association.

Example: in the case of Bączkowski and Others v. Poland, discussed above, the
refusal of permission to hold a march to raise awareness about sexual orientation discrimination, coupled with publicly made homophobic remarks of the mayor, amounted to a violation of the right to freedom of assembly (Article 11)
together with Article 14.

The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection
for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level
of protection against interference.


So preventing someone from standing on the basis of their political beliefs would frankly just get CCP sued with a high probability of losing.


Don't be silly.

This is not a signature.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-03-28 17:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
This is a treaty, a treaty is an article signed by a countries government that means that it will sculpt its laws to those that follow the treaty.
…and CCP is not a country and does not have any laws. It is pretty much entirely free to pick whom among its voluntary customers is their outwards face.

Quote:
subsequently any breach by an EU country can cause the case to be handled be EU courts, for breaches of that treaty.
…which means CCP can't even breach it, much less be hauled off to the EU courts.

CCP is a private entity. Freedom of speech does not apply.
Frying Doom
#28 - 2013-03-28 18:02:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
This is a treaty, a treaty is an article signed by a countries government that means that it will sculpt its laws to those that follow the treaty.
…and CCP is not a country and does not have any laws. It is pretty much entirely free to pick whom among its voluntary customers is their outwards face.

Quote:
subsequently any breach by an EU country can cause the case to be handled be EU courts, for breaches of that treaty.
…which means CCP can't even breach it, much less be hauled off to the EU courts.

CCP is a private entity. Freedom of speech does not apply.

Tippia was not talking freedom of speech, and CCP must be a lucky company as apparently as it is not a country it does not have to follow any laws.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-03-28 18:05:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
frying doom if ccp was unable to kick someone off the csm because ~freedom of expression rights~ or w/e mittani'd still be [s]chairman[s/]

e: on the csm* he resigned as chair irrc it doesn't make a difference anyway

Freedom of speech does not include what was done their joking or not, plus then it entered EULA. As it was not a section covered by any law governing his religious or political beliefs.

He resigned from CSM5 and was excluded from being able to be a member of CSM 6.

no you are claiming like an idiot that this stupid document saying that people shouldn't be discriminated against in some government or some crap also stops ccp kicking a guy off a csm for political beliefs of stomping all over other people's human rights because ]

that law or whatever also talks about freedom of expression as being a part of that whatever. do you even read what you post after you google it no i didn't think so

btw hate speech is against eula so yeah if ccp can stop mittani being on csm they can stop some neonazi who has made hate speech on these forums being on csm because seriously
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-03-28 18:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
Tippia was not talking freedom of speech,
Indeed I wasn't. I was talking about companies and how they differ from governments, but others most certainly were talking about freedom of speech. Not that freedom of association is any different.

Quote:
and CCP must be a lucky company as apparently as it is not a country it does not have to follow any laws.
Sure it does. It just doesn't have to follow the laws that regulate what laws governments are allowed to make and what policies they are allowed to hold, which is what the treaty is about.

The private entity CCP not wanting to be represented by a neonazi is a vastly different matter from the government of [whatever] now allowing people to join certain associations or movements.
Frying Doom
#31 - 2013-03-28 18:14:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Tippia was not talking freedom of speech,
Indeed I wasn't. I was talking about companies and how they differ from governments, but others most certainly were talking about freedom of speech. Not that freedom of association is any different.

Quote:
and CCP must be a lucky company as apparently as it is not a country it does not have to follow any laws.
Sure it does. It just doesn't have to follow the laws that regulate what laws governments are allowed to make and what policies they are allowed to hold, which is what the treaty is about.

The private entity CCP not wanting to be represented by a neonazi is a vastly different matter from the government of [whatever] now allowing people to join certain associations or movements.

Actually it more depends on labor laws as to how voluntary employees are considered. And then as to whether being a Neo-Nazi is considered a political party or a belief system.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#32 - 2013-03-28 18:18:36 UTC
Why would I care what the CSMs real world political views are, when it comes to a internet spaceship game's council?

Actually why would I care about the CSM in general. In the end CCP makes the final call on everything, the CSM is just there to look pretty and provide PR and marketing.

People think too highly of the CSMs actual abilities when it comes to influencing game design.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2013-03-28 18:22:53 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Why would I care what the CSMs real world political views are, when it comes to a internet spaceship game's council?
Because he uses the “natural racial inequality” as an argument for why the game should be imbalanced.
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#34 - 2013-03-28 18:25:23 UTC
You forget we the morons vote the idiots in not CCP.

I for one wouldn't vote for a religious fanatic for example, but a there is no information on the peoples religious/political or other views then I won't care.
Josef Djugashvilis
#35 - 2013-03-28 19:10:01 UTC
This thread should be, and probably will be locked soon.

This is not a signature.
Frying Doom
#36 - 2013-03-28 19:11:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
This thread should be, and probably will be locked soon.

I think we all hope so.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-03-28 19:13:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
This thread should be, and probably will be locked soon.


I probably should have been locked before it got this far.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-03-29 03:04:14 UTC

Quote:
Yet it's totally acceptable to use "N-word" and "jewbal" everywhere, from local chat to GSF CEO update, if you are goon.
Racism is cool and fun if it comes from fellow corp mate, isn't it?

Also, I thought we electing Council of Stellar Management, not Goonswarm Meet and Greet Annual Pub Crawl Party.


Or maybe it's just a test to weed out the hyper-sensitive types that can't take a joke?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-03-29 04:15:44 UTC
Political Correctness, it's what people use to close down any real debate. Also, people pointing fingers at others tend to be the biggest closet biggots.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Frying Doom
#40 - 2013-03-29 04:32:18 UTC
ISDs please take this thread around the back of the barn and blow its head off please.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
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