EVE General Discussion

ECM does not offer good counter play. See this video for understanding what counter play is.

the entire issue with jamming is it's based on an RNG system, which isn't fun for any one.
even more so when the RNG is basically a coin flip saying "do you get a chance to play?"

then again, short of removing it i'm not sure that there's much that can be done with ECM.

If I'm designing a fleet composition and I see a way to guarantee that I nullify any reasonable proportion of logistics ships at little-to no cost to myself (since I can nullify a bunch of DPS in the absence of Logi), what possible reason do I have to not do so?

In other words, why would that situation not happen under your proposal?

They don't have to be explicitly given.

It's pretty easy to bound some ballpark values in this case. It's implicit that the jam strength has to be high enough to make the module useful.

From there, it's not hard to extrapolate a reasonable hypothetical scenario.

If anything, Ruby was being extremely conservative in assuming that it would take 12.5 ECM to jam out a single ship.

So either it's overpowered or useless, with no middle ground possible. Alright. I'm done.

Quick Locking Tornado + warp in = problem solved

Pointing out that your solution is idiotic is not the same thing as claiming to have THE answer.

You had a bad idea. Move on, get over it.

this is my idea for ecm:

I have said this once already today in another post about ECM, but here goes again.

to fix ECM CCP remove the chance base and goes back to the old method of using the attributes to calculate the jamming strength.

Second CCP modify both ECM and ECCM so they work as they should.

This way a ship that has ECCM fitted has a better chance of not getting jammed and a non ECM specialist ship can not jam a ship with a greater base sensor strength than the one jamming. This would bring ECM in line with all the other EWAR modules.
Then the only winges that should bo the forums about ECM would those pilots to stubborn to fit ECCM to there superpwn ship cause they don't want to loose DPS.

Yes no numbers quoted then that no argument over semantics that will be for CCP's dev. to sort out

The way the ECM mechanic works (Completely stopping a ship from targeting) is a vey potent mechanic that sticks heavily in the mind of a victims experience. If ECM is currently balanced or in need of changes I'm not sure. However the biggest problem I do forsee; is that if ECM is balanced or even becomes underpowered, a victim in the future that experiences a loss where ECM was used, can emotionally be more likely to attribute the loss specifically to ECM because of its potent emotional result of not being able to fight back, and will still cry foul!

I really do fear that the mechanic could be nerfed or pursued to the point where it becomes rendered useless.

P.s I know this really doesn't add anything to the debate or provide a solution, just more added sperg, and i've probably commited a few fallacies in my statement aswel? I'm not trying to say arguments against the mechanic are emotional rather than rational. I'm just trying to convey that (i feel) the mechanic of ECM is more emotionally charged than any other experience related to mechanics in Eve because you don't feel like you can fight back, maybe with the exception of being insta blapped. Although I feel since insta blapping is typically an instant experience, it can cause less frustration comparatively because ECM usually happens in a somewhat prolonged engagment.