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Heth's speech: Were commanders acting independent? Divisions amonst the Caldari?

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-03-27 18:38:31 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
I am serious.

The signs are clear and the path that needs to be taken even clearer.

The Caldari State has allowed for the incompetence of its navy to persist for too long. It is time to shake things up and to purge the bad commanders across all of the organization. This restructuring would strengthen the Caldari State and allow Heth to enact policy in a more direct and forceful manner.

Yes, clearly! I mean, let's face it, it's not like completely uprooting one's military command structure during a period of high crisis has ever caused serious problems for anyone in the past, right? That's just crazy talk.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-03-27 18:47:57 UTC
Giving Heth full control and authority over the Caldary Navy would be the greatest present you could give the Federation.

That's exactly what the CN needs more massive blunders like Caldari Prime.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#23 - 2013-03-27 18:53:47 UTC
I can't recall the name of it, but there's a rule of logic: logical parsimony? Okkama's Razor? Something like that.

In brief, when comparing two competing theories, the one with the fewest or simplest assumptions is best.

Does it require more to assume that there is widespread corruption and malfeasance in the breadth of the State's institutions, or that Heth put our fleet in an untenable position?

So. Seriously here.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#24 - 2013-03-27 18:54:27 UTC
Boy we sure are looking like swell and justified folk hoping for another screw up from Heth where another few million die. Gotta stick it to the Caldari eh?

It's not like WE have any flaws or anything ever since this war started, not like we've gone from a big melting pot to a border line racist and ultranationalist Empire or something right guys?

Guys?

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2013-03-27 19:24:09 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Reeves Todako wrote:
Sounds to me like everyone, Caldari Commanders included, need to take a vacation! Perhaps add a bit more Caldari Corn Paste to your diets, eh? Studies have shown it to be 34.9% more effective then competitors brands in calming the nerves and digestive systems!

Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth needs to purge the Caldari Navy of its Commanders and take direct control of the Navy.

This debacle is the fault of the Caldari Navy. Unfortunately, they have misrepresented themselves to the Caldari State Executor who, in his greatness of goodwill to his people, believed in them.

The time is now for the Caldari State to rise up from this disaster and remove the incompetent in the Caldari Navy.

First off all, there is a reason there is a chain of command and duties are delegated in the command structure: It is impossible for a single commander to micromanage entire fleets like you are suggesting. Beyond that, Heth's health seems to be failing, so I would question his ability to cope with command decisions at this time.

What you are suggesting would be utterly disastrous, and despite my low opinion of the man, I do not believe he is quite so arrogant and stupid as to try it.

Heth shares some of the blame for this incident as well. Admiral Yanala had stepped down from commanding ships and directing fleets. If she truly lost her edge, then some fault lies with the person who put her in charge of the task force in Luminaire. Beyond that, the fleet was not very well supported, and perhaps not enough ships were left with the Shiigeru initially.
That's a top level blunder. Remind me, who is at the top?
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-28 13:31:31 UTC
From the various responses from outspoken Caldari "citizens" it seems that the Caldari State Executor should institute a much broader board of inquiry to conduct loyalty tests throughout the various corporations. These public displays of protestation to the great leader of the Caldari State should not be ignored.

This level of dissidence within the Caldari State is bad for business and bad for its corporations. As such, I hope that Heth uses this moment as a catalyzing moment to remove the doubt of his rule and his current state of health. Internal auditors should be given full authority to remove any and all who are publicly and even privately questioning the leadership of their legal and rightful leader.

The challenges to the Caldari State are not just with its seditious military leaders but deeper still. Heth should rally the workers and bring about real change to the State.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-03-28 13:37:57 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
From the various responses from outspoken Caldari "citizens" it seems that the Caldari State Executor should institute a much broader board of inquiry to conduct loyalty tests throughout the various corporations. These public displays of protestation to the great leader of the Caldari State should not be ignored.

This level of dissidence within the Caldari State is bad for business and bad for its corporations. As such, I hope that Heth uses this moment as a catalyzing moment to remove the doubt of his rule and his current state of health. Internal auditors should be given full authority to remove any and all who are publicly and even privately questioning the leadership of their legal and rightful leader.

The challenges to the Caldari State are not just with its seditious military leaders but deeper still. Heth should rally the workers and bring about real change to the State.



You should consider submitting an application to Executor Heth to join the CPD and become an adviser. You're obviously quite confident in your capability to dictate to him and others precisely how they should proceed and why despite none of it being any of your business or jurisdiction.

I am quite certain the Executor would give your application the time it deserves in review.

~Malcolm Khross

Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-03-28 13:47:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Malcolm Khross wrote:

I am quite certain the Executor would give your application the time it deserves in review.


You're a wicked tease.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-28 14:28:53 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
From the various responses from outspoken Caldari "citizens" it seems that the Caldari State Executor should institute a much broader board of inquiry to conduct loyalty tests throughout the various corporations. These public displays of protestation to the great leader of the Caldari State should not be ignored.

This level of dissidence within the Caldari State is bad for business and bad for its corporations. As such, I hope that Heth uses this moment as a catalyzing moment to remove the doubt of his rule and his current state of health. Internal auditors should be given full authority to remove any and all who are publicly and even privately questioning the leadership of their legal and rightful leader.

The challenges to the Caldari State are not just with its seditious military leaders but deeper still. Heth should rally the workers and bring about real change to the State.


Althought a number of protesters is concerning, I really doubt it is the case. Those, who protests, or more like, whose protests you do hear, are already capsuleers, and most of them are already dissidents and outcasts. Those, who are not... well, I think their citizenship status most probably was long ago revoked for their behaviour, provided certain levels of authority are allowed to read this media.

Heavy monitoring of citizens allows corporations to fine troublemakers almost instantly. But it is not the prosecution, that keeps citizens in line. The Executor represents the State, and the State represents all citizens, our views,our lives, our hopes and our future. So, how much foolishness a citizen must show to protest against Executor, after all what he did for us?

I believe such events still can happen, but in a State controlled media they are dealt with fast and efficient. Most probably they are peoples with very low IQ level, or siblings of top end managers, who lost positions during reforms.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#30 - 2013-03-28 15:05:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Boy we sure are looking like swell and justified folk hoping for another screw up from Heth where another few million die. Gotta stick it to the Caldari eh?

It's not like WE have any flaws or anything ever since this war started, not like we've gone from a big melting pot to a border line racist and ultranationalist Empire or something right guys?

Guys?


I don't think any of them can hear you over the sound of how awesome they think they are.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#31 - 2013-03-28 15:07:00 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Boy we sure are looking like swell and justified folk hoping for another screw up from Heth where another few million die. Gotta stick it to the Caldari eh?

It's not like WE have any flaws or anything ever since this war started, not like we've gone from a big melting pot to a border line racist and ultranationalist Empire or something right guys?

Guys?


I don't think any of them can hear you over the sound of how awesome they think they are.


It's unfortunate, but that's the SOP for the IGS.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#32 - 2013-03-28 15:28:23 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Boy we sure are looking like swell and justified folk hoping for another screw up from Heth where another few million die. Gotta stick it to the Caldari eh?

It's not like WE have any flaws or anything ever since this war started, not like we've gone from a big melting pot to a border line racist and ultranationalist Empire or something right guys?

Guys?


I don't think any of them can hear you over the sound of how awesome they think they are.


It's unfortunate, but that's the SOP for the IGS.


I'm sorry Morwen but I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#33 - 2013-03-28 15:34:55 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Boy we sure are looking like swell and justified folk hoping for another screw up from Heth where another few million die. Gotta stick it to the Caldari eh?

It's not like WE have any flaws or anything ever since this war started, not like we've gone from a big melting pot to a border line racist and ultranationalist Empire or something right guys?

Guys?


I don't think any of them can hear you over the sound of how awesome they think they are.


It's unfortunate, but that's the SOP for the IGS.


I'm sorry Morwen but I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


I see what you did there, Snarkiannon.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

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