EVE New Citizens Q&A

Well it was objective. I'll give you that.

But I think it comes down to EvE isn't for everyone. And your not one of the few who gets it.

You gave a few tells away with comments like "Kill 20 wolves" showing the benchmark you hold it against, and you just cant compare them.

They couldnt be more different in concept and design.

But there is nothing to defend! You didnt get it. It's not for you. Play something else! No really.

In a way, EVE is a reflection of your own imagination. As a sandbox should be. Of course you will find it boring if you can't think of anything to do.

Put a kid out back with a stick and watch the fun he has.

As mentioned though it is not for everyone.

In an odd way i actually liked it, and can agree to many of the things mentioned. Well agree as in, its things i have heard before from other players who simply can not get into EVE. The difference is that you tried to give it a honest try so points for that

You are very right that EVE is more like a..second life. Which (in my opinion) can be both good and bad. It allows you to fully dedicate your time and recourses into your character(s) and you can feel a sense of pride of your accomplishments knowing your "unique" which is something other games like WOW or TSW is missing. But, it can be like a full time job, which can be extremely frustrating and at times aggravating. Especially if your in any kind of leadership position this becomes a huge problem since then your "expected" to log on every day for X amount of hours, and on some days its not to actually do anything, but just to be seen.Thats when you have to question if your logging in because your having fun, or because you feel you are supposed to.

I do however feel you did a mistake with not giving a more..classic corp a try. RVB is great, dont take me wrong. But if your just trying to figure out if you like the game and you have a set..time limit on how long your going to stick around a classic player corp would give you a better social experience. And thats something new players needs to understand about EVE, the social aspect is huge! Its (in general) not a solo game. You need friends, you need enemies, you need allies and you need people that will stab you in the back as soon as it benefits them. The ships, the missions, the industry, the ISK....everything is basically just there to help enhance this experience and make it possible for the players to create them.

So my advice to you... Give it a second try, but find a corp that you might enjoy..piracy, industry, merc, 0.0, incursion or whatever. Give it a couple of months, and if you dont like your first corp, join a new one. One corp does not represent every corp in EVE and the differences between each can be small things like how many active members, to how many hours a day you have to spend logged in.

Good luck!

Edit; And in general people are nice and polite in this section of the forums, post something like this in General Discussion as an example and you would find a lot more people being rude or directly trash talking you.

Pretty fair overall

As someone who has been through the same relationship with eve I know how you feel. There are times that I really enjoy it, and others that I wonder if I'm paying money that could be spent better elsewhere. EVE has unlimited potential, but the potential is somewhat limited by your imagination, and also by the learning curve. My biggest gripe and applause for the game is the training system, while its great that I can train without actually being in game and doing something, the massive amount of time required makes me feel that if I am not specialized I am missing out many opportunities to enjoy varying aspects of the game.

One solution touted on the forums is to purchase multiple accounts, so you can train multiple characters to perform different aspects of the game, but requires more time investment (training) and money. I will probably always sub and unsub with eve as time goes on, its one of those games that you really enjoy playing until you hit a rut. At that point, for me at least, the problems that you are able to glance over in the past become a lot more obvious. More so than in any other game.

Here is my comments to your video, with timestamps applied:

0.25 = you can be a PvP after the tutorial. If you want to be a rogue just go live in low-sec.

From start = Saw you were using autopilot. This is normally slower then manual flying. And as your trip included low-sec, good chance you would have been killed. Low-sec Autopiloting is a great way to loose your ship.

0.50 = Mining can be boring if you don't like it. The good thing about EVE is that you can do what you like.

1.10 = Scanning is hard. But practice makes perfect. The more you do it, the easier it will get.

1.14 = Like mining...you don't have to do missions. Only do them if you want to do them.
You almost lost me when you compared EVE to WoW. Heads up, EVE is very very unlike any typical theme-park MMO and thus comparing them will be utterly useless.
You don't HAVE to loot if you don't want.

2.00 = Now you know why EVE is known as Spreadsheet online. Most things you do in EVE can be noted down in spreadsheets. This isn't limited to Industry.

2.20 = Finally someone who doesn't ask why WASD doesn't work and know that it involves fluid dynamics (Submarines Online).

2.38 = RvB is not large fleet battles. RvB is medium sized gangs. And ANY PvP you do will cost you ISK, so that isn't so surprising. Ships cost ISK, ships will get blown up, so you need ISK to fly ships in PvP. And if you get primairied by the enemy, you should die. If not, the enemy fleet sucks. Also part of PvP. If you expect PvP without losses, look at a different game. Station camping is part of the game but in RvB there are some rules about station camping.

3.48 = From the looks of the video EVE just isn't the game for you. That is completely normal, it takes a special mindset to "get" EVE.

3.55 = EVE is real. It only becomes a 2nd life / 2nd job when you treat it that way. Plenty of people I know that only log on for moments yet have a great time while in game.

3.59 = EVE is newbie friendly, if you step up and ask questions. Trying to climb the learning cliff alone will be very very hard. Asking others to help you climb it will make it easier.

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Now. I hope you stick around and at least try. Make friends, ask questions and hopefully you will find out that it isn't as bad as you say it is in your video.

Btw, even though I don't agree with a lot in your video it is still a great video as it is clearly gives away your opinions but not in a whining and raging way.

That too. Most missions use groups of rats, which means you can pick them 1 group at the time. And reinforcements are only spawned when you kill the trigger. Leaving them till last will mean it gets easier.

You're not alone OP, it took me 5 trials before Eve finally got its hooks into me. Eve is definitely more about the people, than it is about the game. Find the right bunch of folk and it becomes an infinitely better experience.

Well if you ever expect that EVE will show you where to go next etc.
Sorry, but it will likely never happen. That is also why the EVE playerbase is very different from WoW and other MMOs.
The issue is that you have to place your own X somewhere in the distant and then work your way too it and when you reach it you just place a new X somewhere else.

EVE is about setting your own long and short term goals and work towards them. And as it's a MMO usually it means interacting with other players (both good and bad). That interacting is what makes EVE great, the level of comerade-ship you can get from a good group of people you fly with.

Personally I dont see the outside of a station that much on most of my characters. Its mainly the chat and voice comms that keepsme in the game. Its having a group of "EVE friends" to hang out with and have nice conversations and discusions with.

The analogy to tabletop games is a lot stronger than to most other MMOs, especially most other RECENT MMOs.

Typical MMOs released in the last year follow essentially the old Everquest model, which I guess you'd now call the WoW model, of largely basing interactions on simple, scalar statistics, using standardized content in multiple places that provides the user with artificial challenges, and compartmentalizing PvP into what is essentially a mini-game or set of mini-games with its own rules.

Eve's paradigm is more to provide a setting, some resources to fight over, and a set of tools. Half the game is figuring out how those tools work and how best to use them, the other half is player-created challenge from other people that want the same resources or just don't like you for whatever reason. It's much more like old d20 D&D or an older, open-world PvP MMO like Dark Age of Camelot than, say, Guild Wars 2.

Not to knock GW2, or Rift, or any of the other WoW-paradigm MMOs, games are fundamentally wasting your time in a manner that entertains you so if you enjoy it, you enjoy it. Just... as others have mentioned, Eve is sort of a relic from a time when the player/environment interaction for online multiplayer hadn't been experimentally optimized for mass consumption yet, and is built on the assumption of a niche market that doesn't mind delving into fairly complex arithmetic rule-sets or spending most of their time dealing with other players instead of quest NPCs. There's a reason the missions haven't been updated since 2007 for the most part, the "target audience" of the game doesn't really care about missions aside from a backup isk supply, even the mission runners don't really care about missions.

In some regards, Eve Online is Dungeons and Dragons. Your character ages and improves his skill set over time sorta the same in both games with the exception that in eve you dont have a hard coded level, it's more like real life where you spend time to harden a particular catagory of knowledge.

As the comparison may also go, EVE is much easier on the new player vs old timer when it comes to ship classes vs D&D. A 20th lvl whatever will always squash a 5th lvl whatever. Being that a new player taking it slow and getting professional advice and following it will very quickly even up the major odds hardening the frigates and cruisers first and developing proper support skills that carry into heavier classes.

Eve isn't a game you can log into and play for a week and make a judgement call. You really need to stick with it 6 months to gain an understanding of the "entire" world. It truly is a wonderous world and game. CCP has done an excellent job at bringing a universe to life allowing players to handle all aspects of the game. We make the ships, mine the materials, fight for resources, launch projects of assistance, and punitive retaliation. Just as the world we live in is full of industry and politic, so is eve.

i would ask that you continue to play eve another 6 months and then see how your opinion has changed.

Fly safe, and enjoy whatever it is in life that you do enjoy though :)