EVE General Discussion

Those dozens of people should probably not be in nullsec, then, if they're completely incapable of having small and medium scale fights on a regular basis.

Because I certainly don't have a problem with it and neither do thousands of other people.

i, for one, would rather sit in some hostile wormhole for weeks sneaking caps in and hunting their cap pilots when they're in more vulnerable ships (assuming that the residents are frozen in the past and don't have dedicated alts logged off in the caps)

indeed, sitting around cloaked is super fun

It's far more entertaining to be one of the Goon spin doctors who trolls the forums relentlessly.

I'm still on the topic of what the OP said.

// EDIT: Not to completely discount your post, but what does logoffski vs Cyno and local vs dscan and cloaked scout alts have to do with throwing away SRP ships for fun vs "real pvp" of threatening income sources.



But there are no consequences there either. It's just expendable ships exploding in an attempt to have fun. Just like everywhere else in EvE. With no threat to income sources beyond some ratting boats of line members getting blown up.

According to lots of people, that's not PvP. Apparently it's only a Player vs Player interaction when a CSAA with a titan blows up or a Tech moon changes hands. And I would dare say just one would be deemed as "acceptable losses".

I'm trying to understand that sentiment. In a game where every single ship that blows up, quite literally affects the game play experience of a dozen people. From mining to industry to logistics to market warfare to whatever the fight may have been. Or whomever the gun looted off the wreck shot the week after.

The only people that seem to meet this narrow definition of PvP and not being risk averse are the month old noobs. With 10 mil isk in their wallet, that refit their level 3 mission battlecruiser for PvP and go looking for a fight outside High Sec. Knowing if they die, they lose their source of income. But fixing even that is a plex away from being a non issue. Hey, today I'll get more isk and play eve instead of getting a case of beer. Nope, no risk there either.

So what is Risk?
When does the chance of losing what you are putting on the line, stop being risk and become a calculated expense for having fun?
Furthermore, why does it matter?

I know right?

They would be more like nullbears and assure only player vs structure.

So what does any of that have to do with... anything?

Er, no it isn't

Sure it is, the rest of null-sec is HBC and/or CFC.

Warfare in Null Space has been so prevalent of late. Just when you think they've stopped the killing a new front opens up and more innocent people living and working on frontier Starbases are killed or displaced. Good folks trying to build a life, going where the jobs are, mining moons and Planets, building ships, hard work to feed their families then the planets are cut off, soon to be invaded, their Starbases destroyed without a thought.

Why can't people keep behind their damn own boarders. Not like there isn't enough to go around, keeping those bases fueled and profits coming in. Instead these Nations are forced to waste their capital on massive military stockpiles and so called super ships as a deterrent just to find some basic level of stability.

Such a sad situation for all involved. Just horrible.

I think everyone seems to be missing the point or in a few cases interpreting the Blue Donut as to be literally a donut with a blue hue.

The Blue Donut is a metaphor for alliances who have good standings with other alliances, whom also have good standings with their neighbors, whom also have good standings with their neighbors, so on and so forth which creates a ring. One alliance on one side of the galaxy may not necessarily be on good standings with another on the other side of the galaxy, but through a friend of a friend of a friend they really are.

Hence the term Blue Donut.