EVE General Discussion

Industry. It's not for everyone. And for that reason, only a few realize how broken it really is. It's important to emphasize that industry is important and thus requires a great deal of attention to make sure it works. This attention has not been given, at least not in a proper amount. Some may brush off this message, christening it as the null words of a butthurt industrialist. This is not the case. I fully understand that there are more important mechanics in EVE, but CCP has given its attention to those (or tried to). CCP has not given its attention to industry for a while.

Industry affects everything. There is nothing out there left completely untouched by industry. As such, I will not try to list all things affected by industry, because that would be a very long and unnecessary list. There are so many faults in industry and so much room for improvement. We need to end this dark age and stop the stagnation. I call upon everyone, industrialist or not, to realize the importance of improving industry. Just to make my point, I will list just some of the faults found in this system.

• Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation.
• Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling.
• Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation.
• Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically.
• 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec.
• POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics.

Of course, when I say risk free and talk about effort, I mean during the actual harvesting, not transportation. Transportation is never risk free for anything.

If you care about EVE, you must care about the industry of New Eden.

And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm.

Unfortunately, most of this has been moved to the Combat paradigm, bizarrely.

I see truth.

If there is an issue that YOU see, why so reluctant to enlighten others ?

Who?

Thanks, but there's already a Goonswarm member with an industrial and marketeering agenda running. That guys going to ~10058~ the whole election anyways and is going to make all the relevant points already. No need for someone else on that front.

The frustrating mechanics are mostly ones related to preparation. And there are too many problems for me to be able to list all of them, because ain't nobody got time for that. Also note that many other frustrating mechanics, such as the refining mechanics, don't involve moon mining.



Like I said, nearly risk free for big power blocs, not for the Average Joe, not even for the Elite Joe.

I have to disagree with you on nearly all these aspects. In fact, all of it. :)

Most of it either requires a lot of thought and setting up, and is all subject to the eb and flow of the market forces. Also moon mining nearly risk free? What about defending the POS and transporting all the minerals from null sec to high sec? That's hardly risk free, along with all the other stuff which is either not risk free, or yields such pitiful amounts of isk.

Also your last point makes you sound like a butt hurt womhole guy to me.

Interesting. You pick and choose which parts you read. Like I said, nearly risk free for big power blocs, and I already mentioned that transportation wasn't included in the risk factoring. Further more, I am not a wormhole guy in particular, I just realize that any attempt to create a real industrial operation in wormhole space outside of looting exploration sites and sending it back is frustratingly difficult to bring into fruition. No moon materials, no ice, reliance of POSes for refining and manufacturing (which doesn't work all that well due to the bad POS system). I'm just giving my honest opinion that POSes really don't lend themselves to bettering wormhole industry.

I didn't say they needed changing, I just said they were faulty. Technically, at least. Perhaps I implied it.

Just keep in mind that when you pew-pew fanatics go cranking up the threat level to mining & industry the side effect is going to be less stuff for you to go pew-pew with and it's going to cost a lot more.

If you bite the hand that feeds you then hunger is not far behind.

From your link.

My question: why?

Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise.