Ships & Modules

This was going to happen but TDs were going to affect missiles. People weren't too happy about the change so CCP didn't go through with it

Not quite fully accurate. Some people were not happy, and were vocal about it. However, it is still slated to happen. Instead it appears they had to do more internal testing on the matter so as ironically not to have op missiles I suspect. Think about it. If you allow missiles to get range, explosion radius, or explosion velocity mods (not just rigs), one could see missiles smashing everything. There was also the problem of not wanting TDs to become mandatory on every ship. Basically a change such as this has to be well analyzed in order to get the right levels on the mods and avoid the dangers inherent.

Hmmm, perhaps a missile module that is the equivalent of a Tracking Computer (as stated above), but has scripts for either increased missile range (fuel efficiency script?) and a smaller explosion radius (radial explosion reduction script?). Just some ideas

Lol, no, TCs won't make missile tracking OP, not by a long shot.

-There already are exp radius or exp velocity rigs that give 20%, that don't suffer stacking penalty. You stack them (remember, no stacking penalty), and missiles still hit fast pvp targets like crap.

-If you script a TC to give it 30% stacking penalized tracking, you really think that extra 10% will make their tracking OP?

They won't be "smashing everything." This is just a symptom of, "I'm not going to fly that Cruise boat that sucks so badly anyway, so they should keep sucking" mentality. It's a fallacy. Remember how everyone switched to Winmatar? In the end, "Buff me, nerf you" doesn't pan out.

Personally, i prefer to have weapon systems differentiated so they apply in different tactical situations.

Missiles have always been designed as "dumbfire", with high potential and low application under an equation that is equally dumbfire (as opposed to the turret equations that are more smooth, flexible and relative). Applying a logic taken from Turrets onto Missiles without the additional redundancy that the turret equation has will always risk malbalancing missiles. Since the relative flying of the ships involved is not taken into consideration, accuracy modifiers risk making missiles either hit too much or too little with too few situational conditions. The same goes for chance vs. DR.

There is a reason why a ship like the Cerb with AML is considered a veritable Frigate-killer today, and the only Turret-platforms with equivalent reputation have speed-bonuses; or why the bonus on the NH is rare and never really reproduced on a quicker or range-bonused ship.

There is equally a reason why a very high-potential system like Torpedoes have extreme difficulty applying down, why Webs and Painters are needed, and even with them applied the system still has severe limitations; because if those were not in place a simple web-paint would risk overflowing all that potential damage on a smaller, mitigation-based ship.

The whole thing is really stacking-sensitive and either works or does not work. Do i wish to attempt one-shotting Frigs? Turrets always have the checks of relativity and chance.

I highly doubt EVE would be a better game if a Frigate would always have to second-guess wether that Torp BS has a web-paint-TC-rigs-drugs sphere of death; or wether we want the ability to lock down a weapon-system indefinately by TD-ing a missile ship below recharge-DPS. With a Turret-ship there's always the risk (of accuracy-void piloting, and chance), while systems like ECM and Damps also have either chance or piloting modifiers.

Predictable and extremes is generally a bad concept no matter what you apply it to.

Missiles are just dumb enough to work quite alright today, overall (with a few exceptions).

Why not...u can upgrade your turret tracking range with on board computers why not for missiles.

Lets say missile tracking computer will optimize the missile flight path in such a way that at the moment of detonation the missile will apply more damage to the target.
EX: if you fire a missile at a moving target, and that missile hits on the rear part of the target it will do less dmg because u can out run the explosion, but if the missile will detonate in front of the target then will do more dmg because the target will run into the explosion. If you even take physics in consideration here the force from the missile explosion combined with the targets velocity will combine and will result in a much greater force being applied to the target thus making even more dmg or less if the explosion happens behind the target , but let's leave physics out of this for the sake of the argument.
I know u can`t actually do this within the coding of the game but a module that can affect explosion radius and velocity will have the same effect as stated above without the visual representation.

And yes some missile tracking disruption module will be good...as an effect the module will disrupt the targeting computer and making the missile detonate prematurely and thus making less dmg (with explosion velocity and radius scripts) or to detonate shirt of the target location,meaning less range(with range disruption scripts)

I'd rather have mods for missiles and TDs get a nerf.

Rat ewar is due a rework in any case.

Missile disruption should come in the forms of revamped defenders or some other 'chaff' style mechanic not replicating the turret mechanics.

Missiles =/= turrets really people should just stop trying to make them the same (at least from a mechanic point of view)

Missiles are pretty easy to mitigate their damage without the need for specific disruption.

Make defender lauchers like probe launchers and not require a launcher hardpoint. Simple. It won't completely stop missile damage as it can realistically only take out one missile at a time but if you were fighting a 3 launch frig for example you could effectively reduce his damage output by 1/3 but you sacrifice a utility high slot to make it so.

There should be a point defence module that intercept these little Winmatar bullets, then everyone and their mother would fit it.