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Call to nations to unite against Federation villany

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-24 03:25:38 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Oh, Kim's back. Wonderful.

You give the Federation entirely too much credit by claiming they manipulated our Home Fleet in such a way.

Furthermore, you're doing that thing again where you open your mouth and stupid comes out. Please desist.


Oh, drivels and trolling again. Should I have expected from a person like you something else?..
Really, man, there is a serious business, so please go play in sandbox somewhere else.
Should I point you a direction to a door, or will you find it yourself?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-24 03:38:43 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Kim, realise something. Your stubbornness and insistence on rejecting reality

Oh, dear prophet, could you please tell us then your 'ultimate truth' instead of shaking your finger in air?

Caellach Marellus wrote:

and substituting your own is reflected in the likes of Tibus Heth and Visera Yanala. Between them they managed to lose Caldari Prime and cause the deaths of countless millions.

Deaths of countless millions was caused by gallente actions, who planned it from the start. Sometimes I catch myself on thought, that they didn't want the planet itself, but wanted just to kill more Caldari. At least, in such way their inhumane actions look.
And, the war is not over yet. And Caldari Prime is still Caldari property, disregarding in what hands it is now. You will see, it won't take long for Caldari ships to stay vigilant again at orbit of home planet!

Caellach Marellus wrote:

Are you really sure you want to continue this pointless campaign, or come back to reality and accept things for what they are, not what you wish them to be?

This campaign is not pointless. It has one well defined goal: to return and defend our home.
So, dear prophet, what is going on in your 'reality'? Caldari running around fighting 'poor gallentes' because they just wanted to fight, without any purpose, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-24 03:44:19 UTC
Valdezi wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

I am not dancing with you anymore!


Your loss, princess.

Not a big loss, to be honest.
I can always find someone else, well, less clumsy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-03-24 03:55:02 UTC
It appears you were correct Msr. Ixiris. I will not waste any more time on this.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#25 - 2013-03-24 04:00:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Kim, realise something. Your stubbornness and insistence on rejecting reality

Oh, dear prophet, could you please tell us then your 'ultimate truth' instead of shaking your finger in air?

Caellach Marellus wrote:

and substituting your own is reflected in the likes of Tibus Heth and Visera Yanala. Between them they managed to lose Caldari Prime and cause the deaths of countless millions.

Deaths of countless millions was caused by gallente actions, who planned it from the start. Sometimes I catch myself on thought, that they didn't want the planet itself, but wanted just to kill more Caldari. At least, in such way their inhumane actions look.
And, the war is not over yet. And Caldari Prime is still Caldari property, disregarding in what hands it is now. You will see, it won't take long for Caldari ships to stay vigilant again at orbit of home planet!

Caellach Marellus wrote:

Are you really sure you want to continue this pointless campaign, or come back to reality and accept things for what they are, not what you wish them to be?

This campaign is not pointless. It has one well defined goal: to return and defend our home.
So, dear prophet, what is going on in your 'reality'? Caldari running around fighting 'poor gallentes' because they just wanted to fight, without any purpose, eh?


Cute hyperbole, it doesn't take a prophet to work out the truth, it just takes a calm rational and non paranoid delusional mind and a lack of a victimised/self pity complex.


The truth is the Federation didn't move the Leviathan into low orbit, the State did. No one was holding a gun to the Admiral's head from the Federation and told her to fly low. The only people directly responsible for the Leviathan being a risk to the planet on it's destruction are the people who put it in that position in the first place.

Heth's lack of long term planning to his originally drastic short term action, and your Admiral's terrible tactical planning as well as her poor handling of the situation with CONCORD lead to certain failure in securing any battlefield advantage. And recall that the majority of the populace on Caldari Prime is Federal, your "They just wanted to kill more Caldari" argument doesn't hold weight, infact the reverse. An argument using your special brand of logic could argue the Leviathan was intentionally moved into low orbit by the State knowing that its destruction would kill many Federal citizens with its impact onto the surface.

But of course, this is using your special brand of logic to come up with such a crazed theory.. which is all your special brand of logic tends to produce.

And you're overlooking one last point. It took exceptional circumstances to get a fleet past the Federal border last time, there's no Elder fleet blowing up Yulai again, and you don't have your one trick pony to bypass Tripwire. How do you propose on getting a fleet past the border? Caldari Prime is lost to the State as far as military action goes, you don't have a realistic means of getting it back.

And no, charging across the border with the full fleet leaving yourselves defenceless and no means to work around the BZDM, not to mention breaking CONCORD regulations in doing so, is not a realistic means.


The sooner you stop reflecting the stubbornness of leaders who failed you, and the sooner you stop blaming the State's woes purely on the Federation, you might actually evolve as a person and get somewhere. Because if you haven't noticed, your current M.O. of pointing the finger elsewhere and absolving yourself and the State of all fault has gained you precisely nothing, and cost you a great deal.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#26 - 2013-03-24 04:04:32 UTC
I sincerely hope both sides stop worrying about what the other did wrong and start worrying about what they themselves did wrong.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#27 - 2013-03-24 04:08:33 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:
I sincerely hope both sides stop worrying about what the other did wrong and start worrying about what they themselves did wrong.


Agreed, both sides are at fault here.

The sooner both sides drop their stubborn nature and work to resolving the issues the better.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-03-24 04:21:26 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

The truth is the Federation didn't move the Leviathan into low orbit, the State did. No one was holding a gun to the Admiral's head from the Federation and told her to fly low. The only people directly responsible for the Leviathan being a risk to the planet on it's destruction are the people who put it in that position in the first place.

The State moved the titan to support ground troops, that we fighting mercenaries, sent by... guess whom? federation.
The titan was conducting military task on supporting troops and didn't plan to be engaged in a capital fight in its position. It is gallente who imposed on battle on low planetary orbit by droping their own capital ships on same low orbit as caldari ships. It was fight on gallente terms, in position, where it bring most devastation to the planet.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

Heth's lack of long term planning to his originally drastic short term action, and your Admiral's terrible tactical planning as well as her poor handling of the situation with CONCORD lead to certain failure in securing any battlefield advantage. And recall that the majority of the populace on Caldari Prime is Federal, your "They just wanted to kill more Caldari" argument doesn't hold weight, infact the reverse. An argument using your special brand of logic could argue the Leviathan was intentionally moved into low orbit by the State knowing that its destruction would kill many Federal citizens with its impact onto the surface.

How dare you to insult the most merited man of our time? Have you done at least 10% of what he did?
And, do you think, for 5 years of defending of the planet, no Caldari were moved in? Besides, citizens of Caldari Prime were not formally Federal citizens anymore. They were our citizens under our protection, even if they were gallente in origin, and we were defending them (or at least those of them who weren't protesting and accepted our ownership of the planet).

Caellach Marellus wrote:

But of course, this is using your special brand of logic to come up with such a crazed theory.. which is all your special brand of logic tends to produce.

It isn't really hard to look at facts, analyse and make conclusion. And instead of reading gallentean brainwashing propaganda, try at least once to think with your own head and find out from where roots are growing.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

And you're overlooking one last point. It took exceptional circumstances to get a fleet past the Federal border last time, there's no Elder fleet blowing up Yulai again, and you don't have your one trick pony to bypass Tripwire. How do you propose on getting a fleet past the border? Caldari Prime is lost to the State as far as military action goes, you don't have a realistic means of getting it back.

Full frontal assault on tripwire before attacking systems first.
Besides, to be honest, this tripwire is quite ineffective. I was able to tank them with just a single battleship.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

And no, charging across the border with the full fleet leaving yourselves defenceless and no means to work around the BZDM, not to mention breaking CONCORD regulations in doing so, is not a realistic means.

Gallentes already broke CONCORD regulations by attacking our planet outside of defined warzone. Do you think it is even possible to leave them like this without retaliation?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-24 04:22:36 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:
I sincerely hope both sides stop worrying about what the other did wrong and start worrying about what they themselves did wrong.

I prefer to think about what should be done about it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#30 - 2013-03-24 04:33:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiber Brucato
Diana Kim wrote:
I prefer to think about what should be done about it.


Is it perpetuating a cycle of violence that has been rolling since before we were born? Is it giving this war to our children and their children? Your sort of rhetoric is what has kept this going. What SHOULD be done about it is a frank and honest assessment of how each person adds fuel to this fire and cooperating in extinguishing it permanently. Before it gets dragged to another staggering and horrific peak.
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2013-03-24 04:35:09 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Not a big loss, to be honest.
I can always find someone else, well, less clumsy.


Sweet thing. whether it's the Dance of Ships or the Waltz, I think you've seen I know the steps.

A shame, really. I think you could use a good hard energetic dance to help you relax.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-03-24 04:54:30 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I prefer to think about what should be done about it.


Is it perpetuating a cycle of violence that has been rolling since before we were born? Is it giving this war to our children and their children? Your sort of rhetoric is what has kept this going. What SHOULD be done about it is a frank and honest assessment of how each person adds fuel to this fire and cooperating in extinguishing it permanently. Before it gets dragged to another staggering and horrific peak.

Im working on breaking this cycle by applying lethal force.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-24 04:58:58 UTC
Valdezi wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Not a big loss, to be honest.
I can always find someone else, well, less clumsy.


Sweet thing. whether it's the Dance of Ships or the Waltz, I think you've seen I know the steps.

A shame, really. I think you could use a good hard energetic dance to help you relax.

Oh no, no, I don't dance with ships, my dear.
I prefer to deal finishing blows as fast as I can.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#34 - 2013-03-24 04:59:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Im (sic) working on breaking this cycle by applying lethal force.


Said untold numbers of people for generations. Add your voice to that death wail if you want. Be the problem, not the solution.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#35 - 2013-03-24 05:04:35 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
The State moved the titan to support ground troops, that we fighting mercenaries, sent by... guess whom? federation.
The titan was conducting military task on supporting troops and didn't plan to be engaged in a capital fight in its position. It is gallente who imposed on battle on low planetary orbit by droping their own capital ships on same low orbit as caldari ships. It was fight on gallente terms, in position, where it bring most devastation to the planet.


The only thing it could do in low orbit it couldn't previously do was fire on the planet itself. And did so before there were any Federation ships present.

So if anyone was fighting on terms, it was the Federation engaging the State who fought on the State's set battleground of low orbit.


Diana Kim wrote:
How dare you to insult the most merited man of our time?


He isn't fit to lace Gariushi's boots, and I'll say what I damn well please about the stubborn bastard. The sooner the likes of he and Roden are both out of power along with their mindless bloodthirsty henchmen, the sooner both sides can work towards peace.


Diana Kim wrote:
And, do you think, for 5 years of defending of the planet, no Caldari were moved in? Besides, citizens of Caldari Prime were not formally Federal citizens anymore. They were our citizens under our protection, even if they were gallente in origin, and we were defending them (or at least those of them who weren't protesting and accepted our ownership of the planet).


The planet has time and again been under the acceptance that the majority of the populace is from the Federal administration. And by the actions undertaken these past few years you seem to be confusing defending, with oppressing. It's probably why they rebelled.


Diana Kim wrote:
It isn't really hard to look at facts, analyse and make conclusion. And instead of reading gallentean brainwashing propaganda, try at least once to think with your own head and find out from where roots are growing.


The irony here is staggering, your head is so far up Heth's backside, you can probably see Rocarion's feet.

Thankfully I do look at facts and analyse them properly, it's why I sit on the fence and commentate and criticise both sides.


Diana Kim wrote:
Full frontal assault on tripwire before attacking systems first.
Besides, to be honest, this tripwire is quite ineffective. I was able to tank them with just a single battleship.


I'm not quite sure you know exactly what Tripwire is if you aim to assault it. But by all means feel free to make another jump across the border now the Federal Navy isn't preoccupied with the events in Luminaire.


-Because we've run out of quote tags-

Gallentes already broke CONCORD regulations by attacking our planet outside of defined warzone. Do you think it is even possible to leave them like this without retaliation?

-Because we've run out of quote tags-

Beyond the fact that the State took advantage of CONCORD being unable to intervene when they first assaulted, I don't think they can call foul play when troops are deployed to a planet within a Federal system where Federal citizens are being attacked by an opposing force. Of course it'll be interesting to see the actual mandate on this as it's an interesting loophole to have an annexation within an enemy system, it was the only one of it's like.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#36 - 2013-03-24 05:04:47 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Im working on breaking this cycle by applying lethal force.

Yes, because that has worked soooo well thus far.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-03-24 06:19:05 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

The only thing it could do in low orbit it couldn't previously do was fire on the planet itself. And did so before there were any Federation ships present.

So if anyone was fighting on terms, it was the Federation engaging the State who fought on the State's set battleground of low orbit.

Fleet moved to low orbit to counter gallentean attack on surface.
I don't know why it is so hard to understand.
It is because of gallente actions, fleet had to descend on low orbit. I really don't know how to explain it easier.


Caellach Marellus wrote:

He isn't fit to lace Gariushi's boots, and I'll say what I damn well please about the stubborn bastard. The sooner the likes of he and Roden are both out of power along with their mindless bloodthirsty henchmen, the sooner both sides can work towards peace.

Gariushi did some things to his own corporation, that most of us didn't even notice, while Heth gave hope, wealth and true meritocracy to all of us.


Caellach Marellus wrote:
The planet has time and again been under the acceptance that the majority of the populace is from the Federal administration. And by the actions undertaken these past few years you seem to be confusing defending, with oppressing. It's probably why they rebelled.

Their rebellion was caused by gallentean intervention, why would they just rebel, if our forces jailed troublesome elements? No, it wasn't opression (besides, it is our own planet and inhabited not only by gallentes, but caldari also, and they live in separated cities, that was done by gallentish president before gallentean occupation was lifted by our glorious leader) , it was gallentean to infiltrate mercenaries to stir the planet. Ofc gallentean freaks on planet would listen to gallentean propaganda, and rebel to break so fragile peace on the planet.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

The irony here is staggering, your head is so far up Heth's backside, you can probably see Rocarion's feet.

Oh, so trolling then. Too bad, I just lost real opponent.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

I'm not quite sure you know exactly what Tripwire is if you aim to assault it. But by all means feel free to make another jump across the border now the Federal Navy isn't preoccupied with the events in Luminaire.

I have seen it in Luminaire before events, and in Dodixie, and many other systems.
They didn't really stop me from destroying numerous gallente military vessels.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-03-24 06:22:50 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Im (sic) working on breaking this cycle by applying lethal force.


Said untold numbers of people for generations. Add your voice to that death wail if you want. Be the problem, not the solution.

In fact, I am thinking about final solution that will break this cycle. And I hope peoples in our HQ are doing the same.
So, the daring idea and excessive force is what we really need.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#39 - 2013-03-24 06:34:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Oh no, no, I don't dance with ships, my dear.
I prefer to deal finishing blows as fast as I can.


Is that so? No lady has ever accused me of finishing too fast.
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#40 - 2013-03-24 06:35:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

In fact, I am thinking about final solution that will break this cycle. And I hope peoples in our HQ are doing the same.
So, the daring idea and excessive force is what we really need.


Final solution? I love that kind of talk!

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station