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Vikarion
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-03-24 00:22:02 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Miss Nihil isn't Caldari. She's a member of an anarchist organization, one of whose stated goals is the destruction of the State as an entity, and necessarily, Caldari culture along with it. Taking her advice about what the State should do is only slightly better than taking the advice of EOM.

The last person to deride me this way was Admiral Yanala, and last I checked, she was a waste of biomass on the surface of Caldari Prime. I suggest you re-examine what you're really fighting for, because the State and Heth's puppets are leading our civilization to a dark, dark place.


Wow. You really have no clue.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-24 00:31:53 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:

If you truly want to honor the memory of the people lost yesterday, stop attacking the Gallente.

I will... as soon as there will be no more Gallente.

Sakura Nihil wrote:

The only way this issue will be settled for all time is for the Luminaire system in its entirety to be under a single flag, and the only way to do this with military force is to have one empire completely defeat the other. The chances of this happening are about as good as Heth deciding to go pick fruit for the rest of his life. So, each action, each fight, each war will only generate more martyrs that will block the road to peace for generations.


And that's why we need to launch full scale attack on all major Gallente homeworld. Just like they did on ours. We will plant Provist flags on Villore, Gallente Prime and any other remaining administrative centers, who supported this murderous government. Also all gallentean government workers should be put under trial and executed.
And then there will be peace.
And no one ever touch our planet again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2013-03-24 00:42:35 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
things


I've always pictured you with the most annoying and nasally 12 year old voice due to your looks and rhetoric.

Is that what you really sound like?

If so, all your party lines are just making me laugh harder.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#24 - 2013-03-24 00:45:30 UTC
Going to say the same thing I said elsewhere.

So long as the State insists on being a threat to Federal security there will be no permanent peace for Caldari Prime. A faction doesn't allow a hostile force an enclave within its own borders. Fate has seen fit to lock the Gallente and Caldari people together by virtue of proximity. To try and deny their connection to each other is madness. Peace will be achieved once the rightful order has been restored - once the Caldari and Gallente people begin working together again. Some people say that reintegration of the State into the Federation is the answer - I don't think that will work. Both empires will have to come to peaceful terms with each other and learn to share. Share space, share famine and plenty, and share the common destiny the children of Luminaire have in store.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#25 - 2013-03-24 00:58:43 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:


So long as the State insists on being a threat to Federal security....


This was a bad approach when you posted it previously in another thread and its a bad approach now. The State doesn't insist on being a threat to Federal security, it insists on having its world of origin and protecting it.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#26 - 2013-03-24 01:08:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
(Good Points)

I'd agree with most of this, except the part about the Fed's jealousy. However, I'll settle for a "good" post and not nitpick.

Vikarion wrote:
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Miss Nihil isn't Caldari. She's a member of an anarchist organization, one of whose stated goals is the destruction of the State as an entity, and necessarily, Caldari culture along with it. Taking her advice about what the State should do is only slightly better than taking the advice of EOM.

The last person to deride me this way was Admiral Yanala, and last I checked, she was a waste of biomass on the surface of Caldari Prime. I suggest you re-examine what you're really fighting for, because the State and Heth's puppets are leading our civilization to a dark, dark place.

Wow. You really have no clue.

And your comeback lacks bite.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-24 01:09:28 UTC
Tiber Brucato wrote:
Going to say the same thing I said elsewhere.

So long as the State insists on being a threat to Federal security there will be no permanent peace for Caldari Prime. A faction doesn't allow a hostile force an enclave within its own borders.

Then we should move these borders deep into Federation territory to secure our planet (as alternative of completely decapitating them).

Tiber Brucato wrote:
Fate has seen fit to lock the Gallente and Caldari people together by virtue of proximity. To try and deny their connection to each other is madness. Peace will be achieved once the rightful order has been restored - once the Caldari and Gallente people begin working together again. Some people say that reintegration of the State into the Federation is the answer - I don't think that will work. Both empires will have to come to peaceful terms with each other and learn to share. Share space, share famine and plenty, and share the common destiny the children of Luminaire have in store.

This alliance was the greatest mistake our peoples made. At least, in the form it was established.
It might be possible to integrate Federation into the State as a separate corporation, where they can do whatever they want and do not spread their poison about liberty to other megacorps. Of course, first, those responsible for bringing gallente capitals onto Caldari Prime, together with those, who hired mercenaries to attack the planet, must be put under tribunal for crimes against humanity during war time.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#28 - 2013-03-24 01:14:37 UTC
The State is a hostile astropolitical entity aligned with another hostile astropolitical entity. As such it is a threat to Federal security by its very nature at present. It's all well and good to say "honest, we won't attack you , but words do not a bulwark make. This is one of the root problems to this conflict. Neither side will put themselves in the shoes of the other. It is, in my opinion, completely reasonable for Caldari Prime to be a Caldari posession. It is equally reasonable for the Federation to expect and enforce a secure border to their territory.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#29 - 2013-03-24 01:17:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


And that's why we need to launch full scale attack on all major Gallente homeworld. Just like they did on ours. We will plant Provist flags on Villore, Gallente Prime and any other remaining administrative centers, who supported this murderous government. Also all gallentean government workers should be put under trial and executed.
And then there will be peace.
And no one ever touch our planet again.


As it stands you lot can't even mount a credible attempt at taking Nennamaila, much less assault the Federation Core Worlds. Not that reality is of much importance in the galaxy you're living in.

Do carry on with your crazy, though.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-03-24 03:51:30 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

As it stands you lot can't even mount a credible attempt at taking Nennamaila, much less assault the Federation Core Worlds. Not that reality is of much importance in the galaxy you're living in.

Do carry on with your crazy, though.


I certainly would feel no need to take Nennamaila at present - where would I be able to score cheap and easy kills against those that live there otherwise?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-03-24 04:30:06 UTC
You would all be wise not to confuse the mercenary capsuleer side show that is the empyrean war with an actual conflict between empires.

Although I've a feeling the differences will become increasingly apparent soon enough.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#32 - 2013-03-24 04:37:31 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
You would all be wise not to confuse the mercenary capsuleer side show that is the empyrean war with an actual conflict between empires.

Although I've a feeling the differences will become increasingly apparent soon enough.


This much is certain.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-03-24 06:15:47 UTC
I was waiting in all of this for someone to drag the Empire through the mud yet again. As usual, I didn't need wait long.



"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-03-24 06:51:55 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

As it stands you lot can't even mount a credible attempt at taking Nennamaila, much less assault the Federation Core Worlds. Not that reality is of much importance in the galaxy you're living in.

If you are talking about lowsec warzone campaign, Nenna will fall as soon as we recieve orders to make it fall. So far I don't know any strategically important targets in Nenn. That's why we have other targets, which I cannot call for obvious reasons.

Besides this, my point is that we should start all scale full offensive on major Gallentean administrative centers in both high and low security space, to finally decapitate this monstrosity for the sake of every human living in our cluster.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-03-24 11:16:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
If you are talking about lowsec warzone campaign, Nenna will fall as soon as we recieve orders to make it fall.

WRONG. Add "severely mentally handicapped" to the "nasal 12-year-old loser" description Anslo gave you earlier.

Bloody Ronin Syndicate was under orders to capture Nennamaila for nearly a month, and all they had to show for it was a lot of deaths to pirates and a system that never even went to 50% contestation. Not only that, but the highly illegal tactics used by one of their command staff got him arrested and imprisoned by CONCORD. After getting their little tails thoroughly whipped by the defence fleet, greg01 ordered a full retreat to Yvangier. Ev0ke's campaign against Eha ended in spectacular failure as well.

Your militia is being carried on the backs of Pyre-Falcon and pretty much no-one else. When Ev0ke finally crumble to their end (which isn't all that far off) and Pyre-Falcon inevitably get bored of shoring up your militia's staggering inadequacies (and they will, trust me - they talk a good game about duty to the State, but like I-RED's militia wing and the other Duty before them, they will eventually get bored of having to put up with people like you) you will have no-one to support you.

Nennamaila is going to need better people than you to capture it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Arkenai Wyrnspire
Incorruptibles
#36 - 2013-03-24 11:18:58 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:


Nennamaila is going to need better people than you to capture it.


Confirmed. Currently, Nennamaila will fall when hell freezes over.

Someone.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#37 - 2013-03-25 02:35:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:

As it stands you lot can't even mount a credible attempt at taking Nennamaila, much less assault the Federation Core Worlds. Not that reality is of much importance in the galaxy you're living in.

If you are talking about lowsec warzone campaign, Nenna will fall as soon as we recieve orders to make it fall. So far I don't know any strategically important targets in Nenn. That's why we have other targets, which I cannot call for obvious reasons.


I don't think "strategically important" means what you think it means.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#38 - 2013-03-25 02:42:20 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
I have some words of advice for my fellow Caldari, and for the State itself after yesterday's events - let Caldari Prime go.


What happens then when they decide they would like another Caldari planet, let that go as well?
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-03-25 03:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

Your militia is being carried on the backs of Pyre-Falcon and pretty much no-one else. When Ev0ke finally crumble to their end (which isn't all that far off) and Pyre-Falcon inevitably get bored of shoring up your militia's staggering inadequacies (and they will, trust me - they talk a good game about duty to the State, but like I-RED's militia wing and the other Duty before them, they will eventually get bored of having to put up with people like you) you will have no-one to support you


Respectfully, Mr. Ixiris, whilst I may admit to being flattered to your compliment I believe it would be prudent to say that I personally do not believe the Combine, at present, is carrying the Protectorate as you put it. Whilst I am proud of the talent and ability displayed on the front by its capsuleer operatives in recent weeks, the organization is frankly still in its infancy and the impacts it might have on the front is thus far minimal.

That is not a point of disappoint for me, rather that I am a patient woman and in my years working in corporate leadership I know that any start-up company takes time and care to develop. Now, you may believe that I am cut from the same cloth as those in other organizations who in the pursuit of profit, glory and fame show their true colours of having never known their duty by exiling themselves to the peripheries of null-space when to prosecute their obligations would require to walk the hard path of service to the State.

I am not a woman of empty rhetoric and false affectations of patriotic duty. I know my task and I shall fulfill it for my love of my people, my nation and my State means that never can I abandon them and willingly shall I sacrifice with blood, bear whatever burdens of guilt duty demands and where I am judged upon the merits of my deeds and not words alone.

Do you really think I tremble in fear and despair that the FDU by any honest estimation contains some of the best independent mercenary organizations able to conduct a wide range of small unit actions with absolute proficiency? No, they are the scythes that shall cull the weakness and ineffectiveness from Pyre-Falcon until only the few, the proud, and the strong shall remain. For believe me, my heart is both ruthless and hard enough to ensure that only the most aggressive, the most intelligent and most cold-blooded shall be permitted the privilege of serving within its ranks.

The best is still yet to come, for indeed what else can satisfy a martial soul than lawful war?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-03-25 04:04:41 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
You would all be wise not to confuse the mercenary capsuleer side show that is the empyrean war with an actual conflict between empires.

Although I've a feeling the differences will become increasingly apparent soon enough.


I lost more men in three hours over Caldari Prime than I have lost in my entire participation in the 'Forever War'. I know it is politically correct to vilify this woman but when will you realise that you don't have to support what she stands for to see that she generally speaks sense, when she isn't speaking for effect?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.