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Where did the term "Toon" come from?

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Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-03-23 10:22:05 UTC
You can actually read that both ways
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-03-23 14:00:42 UTC
Andr Katelo wrote:
I believe it became popular with WoW, its cartoony graphics might have had something to do with it. Blink

For the sophisticated gentlemen here, those who braved the MMO market before WoW, the term char (short for character) seems much more familiar, appropriate and, as some might claim, less gay.



WAAAY before WoW. WoW was not the birth of MMO's. Hell the people who helped design WoW were badass avid Everquest Guild Leaders for a number of years before being leeched to Blizzard =).

I do believe Toon came from around Baldur's Gate time if I remember correctly. Maybe around the original Neverwinter Nights but I think that was too soon.

Atleast, that was when I started using it; early/mid 1990s I believe. Before "avatar" became popular (chat forum/virtual chat program name).

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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#23 - 2013-03-23 21:32:34 UTC
You fools...it's because CCP has an office in Newcastle, which of course is known as the Toon.

Solved.

Lol
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2013-03-23 23:50:29 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Where did the EvE Term "Toon", short for character, come from? I see a lot of people don't like it.



The term comes from the early days of online play and the limited graphics at that time. Doom was before the Internet, and the graphics were cartoon-like compared to what we have today....Hence..Toons.

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ISD Libertina
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#25 - 2013-03-24 01:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Libertina
Hi,

I've been here since the beginning of EvE when mains and alts in EvE were still just called 'chars'. There was no term such as 'toon' in the early days of EvE, the 'chars' were not even distinguished into mains and alts in the general talks about and in eve back in those days.

The first time I ever heard the term 'toon' used in conjunction with eve's 'chars' was when a rather big influx of Earth and Beyond refugees arrived in EvE when that game was announce to become abandoned. Those refugees banded in rather large groups of unskilled pilots in EvE (I believe to recall them being called CLS, THEMM and the likes)

This banding together as low skilled players should have happened even before the Goon movement coming from Something Aweful.

The term 'toon' got to to be as widespread and accepted within EvE when a second influx of players appeared from StarWars Galaxies, bringing with them their terminology for characters to play with.

Hope it helps.

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Dash Bishop
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-03-24 01:18:13 UTC
I'm a former Earth & Beyond player (SWG too for that matter) and i can confirm that we referred to player avatars as "toons" in both games.

E&B was my first MMO, such a great game. Progen power!

Caldari Militia ☜✫☞

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-03-24 01:45:30 UTC
The term toon was popularized sometime after Ultima Online and probably some time during WoW.

In the WoW beta test I don't remember people using the term toon though.. so it may have gone mainstream after WoW started up fully. I didn't play a lot of Everquest although I had friends who did but they never used the term toon. So my guess is that it crossed over into common vernacular in WoW.

It may have come from another MMO and just grew in the WoW environment or maybe someone just thought it was an easy way to refer to their characters.

EVE's community has always been fairly resistant to the term 'toon' and there's a pretty quick and strong negative reaction any time someone uses it so it's use in the game been limited which I like.. since I never liked the term toon.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2013-03-24 01:51:44 UTC
It was used rather extensively in The Realm (1996), so it predates UO as well.
Of course, in the case of The Realm, the term is rather appropriate.
Whiskey Haze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-03-24 02:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Whiskey Haze
Nightcrawler 85 is correct. The term was first coined in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It was in use in the early 90's on social gaming networks such as Sierra Online (even before The Realm).

Also, nice to see an Earth and Beyond fan here. I worked in support for that game.

Oh, and not to nitpick with a previous poster, but Doom was not around before the internet. It was around before the web. We were playing Tradewars 2000 on ascii BBS systems long before Mosaic and the first web protocols.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-24 02:40:04 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
It is a 4-letter word and therefore quick to type. If players had found a 3-letter word then they would be using it instead. I prefer "char", but I often spell it out.


Alt. There, was that so hard?

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-24 03:01:43 UTC
I think the term came from a moron but I can't confirm it. I think character is a better description.

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#32 - 2013-03-24 03:24:28 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
I think the term came from a moron but I can't confirm it. I think character is a better description.

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Apocryphal Noise
The Harpooner's Rest
#33 - 2013-03-24 04:03:18 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Where did the EvE Term "Toon", short for character, come from? I see a lot of people don't like it.


google is your friend :D


That led me back to this thread. Checkmate.
Sharon Anne
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#34 - 2013-03-24 07:30:06 UTC
I thought I read toot. n\m Oops
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#35 - 2013-03-24 11:09:03 UTC
It comes from the ancient greek word "kharaktun" which had the meaning of dress-up doll appealing to kids.

In latin it was later divided to "character" and "toon", which respectively denoted dolls for boys and dolls for girls.

I prefer avatar myself. It's from a movie by James Cameron, where people incarnate some 3D animated intelligent life-form.

Jill.

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Din Chao
#36 - 2013-03-24 11:30:16 UTC
ISD Libertina wrote:
The term 'toon' got to to be as widespread and accepted within EvE when a second influx of players appeared from StarWars Galaxies, bringing with them their terminology for characters to play with.

We definitely used the term on SWG. I think that's where I first heard it.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#37 - 2013-03-24 11:40:37 UTC
Andr Katelo wrote:
I believe it became popular with WoW, its cartoony graphics might have had something to do with it. Blink

For the sophisticated gentlemen here, those who braved the MMO market before WoW, the term char (short for character) seems much more familiar, appropriate and, as some might claim, less gay.


The term is definitely pre wow. We used that term in everquest years ago. It is probably pre everquest too. Earlier MMOs often had cartoonish graphics. In everquest it was not unusual for the women in game (and yes there were actually real females who played the game) to pick their armor and equipment based upon the color coordination they had in mind for their "toon" instead of the statistics given by the piece of equipment "oh these pink boots go well with my wizard's robe!"
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-03-24 12:29:48 UTC
anime is cartoons

cartoons are for kids
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#39 - 2013-03-24 15:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Eli Green wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Where did the EvE Term "Toon", short for character, come from? I see a lot of people don't like it.


google is your friend :D


I find it hilarious that your link to google (you obviously couldn't be bothered to "actually" google for the answer yourself) gets the top hit for this very thread. The others are also very speculative to the origins of the word Toon as well, meaning this isn't something you can just google and get a definitive answer for.

Being that Toon was definately not used in EvE "back in the day", its almost certainly something that has been imported from other games. Where it first started though, is anyone's guess.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#40 - 2013-03-24 15:27:34 UTC
Jill Xelitras wrote:
It comes from the ancient greek word "kharaktun" which had the meaning of dress-up doll appealing to kids.

In latin it was later divided to "character" and "toon", which respectively denoted dolls for boys and dolls for girls.

I prefer avatar myself. It's from a movie by James Cameron, where people incarnate some 3D animated intelligent life-form.

Jill.



The term Avatar to describe a character controlled by someone else was around way before that movie, why do you think he called it "Avatar" in the first place?

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.

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