Intergalactic Summit

From where I'm standing you've given everyone plenty of fuel for the fires of war and hatred. I wouldn't count on shattering the caldari spirit through a single - possibly pyrrhic - victory. Peace and a solution to this conflict was tossed out of the window as the federation launched their assault. But this was only out of humanitarian reasons, to prevent death happening on the surface of the planet and to avenge the loss of one DED vessel commanded by a cocky bastard.

It seems to me that she has her finger on the pulse of what's going on in the halls of power in the Federation, though.

Where's the emergency Senate hearing to clear this mess up? Where are the cries for peace in the wake of tragedy? where are the Federal politicians standing up to humbly suggest that maybe too high a price has already been paid, and that the thing to start doing now is compromise.

Where's the offer: "Caldari Prime stays Caldari, but no titan this time"? If it were within my power to accept or propose such an offer on behalf of the State, I would do so in a second. The fact that no such olive branch has been extended twenty hours on speaks volumes.

Neither of our nations live up to the examples set by some of their nobler citizens. When a citizen lives up to the example set by her government, the result is Mekhana.

It is rather commonplace to express the interest about offering negotiations before being able to actually start them.

Lots of hostility towards you Mekhana. I am not surprised since this discussion is open to those outside of the Federation. I was quite stunned to hear of this news yesterday while doing research in my home system. Even though Luminaire is far from where I live, we still paid attention to the news. Regardless of what others feel, I support the great Federal Fleet and its men and women who fight to keep us strong and free. If any mistakes were made, it was by the Administration not the military.

I have no personal hostility towards Mekhana.

She accurately reflects the will of her leaders. In the Empire, this would worthy of the highest praise.

The leaders of the Gallente Federation have the war they wanted.

Let us see who gets a bellyfull and gets sick of it first.

Impeccably dignified to a fault(...line, little joke!), Schere sweetie!

I'm so glad that you weren't kidnapped last night. As I was entangled with my bunny boy on his trip from Providence to Jita, I could swear that at one point it seemed like you ended up in a pod and at another fired off a distress beacon from inside someone else's ship. Slightly prior to that, I thought I saw a Revenant de-cloak outside Cynthia's brothel and send space tentacles through the walls. Clearly, there is such a thing as too much Mummy Dust after all.

I'm stunned by your assertion.

I mean, really, the FedNav is to blame for the titan dropping onto Caldari Prime? After the State brought it in, dropped it to low orbit, and begun attacking surface targets? After threatening the population of Caldari and Gallente Prime for the better part of a decade with its superweapon?

I can't take any more of this. If you, of all people on the Caldari side, are unwilling to face reality, there's no hope at all for the State. Hopefully it can be destroyed or changed for the better before it takes the Caldari people down with it.


Hey, if you really want peace, knock off the smug attitude. Rubbing salt in the wound is a bad idea if you're going to have to come to the negotiating table with the same people in the future.

There had been no attacks on surface targets, and you'll be hard pressed to come up with any evidence to the contrary. Not even in the ensuing battle did she unleash warheads on ground targets and to suggest otherwise is either a misunderstanding or outright lie.

Threats were certainly made, but there was no action. No matter what side were on the facts need to be made crystal. At worst there was intent to fire, but you can't prosecute what someone supposedly planned to do if it isn't followed up by action.

To further that, security forces engaged on the ground prior to the Federations fleet maneuver can be confirmed as being under the employ of the Federal Defense Union and in direct violation of Caldari sovereignty. Chest beating and propaganda aside, Admiral Yanala was acting within full jurisdiction of Caldari law and enacting a very basic military maneuver to support Caldari forces engaged on the ground. Capusleers are too focused on the priming of the Oblivion super weapon to let logic chase away their preconceptions of what was happening.

I cannot imagine that had this been a Gallentee warship in orbit that they would not do the same exact same thing. While support fire doesn't involve the priming of a doomsday weapon, its certainly a valid precautionary move when you have good reason to suspect an enemy fleet is heading your way.

I'm sick of this blame game and it's getting old. The real blame lays on the situation perpetuated by events most of us had no hope or possibility of influencing.

What most of us witnessed [I do not know if you were there Ms. Nihil] was an strategic (and planned) invasion of Caldari sovereign space by Federation Naval and Ground force with the intent of reconquest of Home.

Actions that followed above and on our homeworld were to the tune of that song. This is the reality of the situation and we should be thankful that Admiral Yanala didn't carry out her orders when she had the opportunity, because the reality of yesterdays events is that this action was a provocation of the promise Heth issued when we retook Home the first time.

To put it in laymans terms:

Its like a robber goes into the bank with a gun and says "As long as you stay calm and don't do anything foolish, no one gets hurt" and then vigilantes constantly try and take him down so he keeps shooting people. The bodies eventually pile up and everyone hates the robber for killing them, despite the fact that had people simply done as told no one would have died. Eventually the cops come in force and in the fire fight he's killed but the body count is already high enough that it makes the morning news and everyone is sick to their stomachs with it.

The robber was wrong for trying to rob the bank. He was wrong for killing those people. At the same time however, those people are equally responsible for their own deaths because they chose to aggravate the guy with the gun. Lets not pretend that despite this being a hostage situation that those aggravating the situation are somehow absolved of their part in the escalation of the crisis.

I am on balance forced to agree. While I am strongly opposed to capital bombardment of inhabited worlds anyway - and especially of Doomsdaying a temperate world, and especially Home - ultimately we have to accept that the only reason that ever became a possibility was a combination of a foolhardy CONCORD commander throwing his weight around rather than going through proper channels, and more importantly of FedNav exploiting the opening that incident created.

The trigger-happy admiral who created that incident was appointed because of ongoing violence on the surface. Violence that on the weight of evidence was more than just armed civil unrest. Modern Caldari high-rise buildings don't fall down just because a mob of angry civvies were chanting at it.

I'm no demolitions expert.... but I AM worth several billion ISK, which means that the expertise of a demolitions expert is at my fingertips regardless. I am informed in no uncertain terms that bringing a building like that down in the manner it came down requires precision placement of high-explosive. This wasn't just a case of shoving five thousand kilograms of ammonium nitrate in a sub-baasement and running, and even had it been it takes serious planning, preparation and manpower to launch an operation like that. All of those things are risk factors which expose the operation to potential discovery, and the only counter to that is experience, training and resources.

Throw in the reported fact that DUST mercs are operating down there under the banner of the FDU (or FEDEF as they're calling it now) and have been since before the assault on the Shiigeru and the only conclusion I can draw is that the FIO have been at work down there laying the ground for this day, probably for months. Which suggests given president Roden's stated views on the matter of Home, that this has been an ongoing executive project quite probably since he first took office.

It all comes back down to what is effectively theft. the Federation can bang on about security threats and so on all it likes, but it all comes back to the fact that the Caldari quit the Federation, were bombed off our homeworld, and ever since that moment the Federation has repeatedly refused to pursue the most obvious and effective avenue for reconciliation.

I'll reserve my opinions on the cultural psychology of why this should be the case for now. Suffice it to say that this is just a resurgent symptom of the same old disease and no matter what questionable decisions may have been made on the Caldari side, the biggest of our problems to solve remains that the Federation's government simply is not willing to recognize our rights as a culture.

And let's not forget - this government is democratically elected, which supposedly mean that it reflects the collective will and opinion of its people. If that is not the case, then I suggest that the time has come for the citizens of the Federation to demonstrate that their vaunted system of democratic representation actually works. It's either that or the system DOES workand this is what the majority of Federal citizens want.

You forgot Nouvelle Rouvenor in that timeline.