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Are alts overpowered in terms of avoiding consequences?
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-03-22 16:44:14 UTC
Being able to play with Alts is one of the best things about EVE online. For example, I shoot rats in null sec with 3 characters (that I control, I don't use isboxxer or anything)/. It's fun coming up with new set up and exploration doctrines (like my mach and 2 tengus, or my Triple dominix 10/10 squad etc etc).

It nice to be able to say "not feeling null sec today, i guess i'll log in my low sec lvl 5 crew" or my incursion runner or my faction warfare throw-away HAM caracal alt etc.

The op is probably someone who got suicide ganked and rather than learn how to mitigate risk would rather change the entire rest of the game for everyone else.

Seems to be a lot of that around these parts lol.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-03-22 16:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
multiboxing accounts is a whole other topic.

I don't think anyone would seriously expect CCP to remove alts (at this stage) but I know how to sell it:

the beautiful serenity and peace that is a jita local that knows about 2000 100,000 ISK bounties payable on pod kill are a good reason NOT to post that thing.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-03-22 17:23:51 UTC
Yea, one character slots are just a bad idea in general. For roleplayers is bad as they wanted to make a new character, they have to pay 14 bucks again.

For outlaws it's game breaking. Yes they can rely on others for logistical support. But guess what, not everyone plays the game 24 hours a day or plays on your timezone all the time. Sometimes you just need to do **** yourself.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#44 - 2013-03-22 17:30:49 UTC
Eve would be the most groundbreaking and immersive game around if there were no alts/second accounts. Consequences would matter. You would be your character, for better or worse. This is how I choose to play and I enjoy it far more than the times over the years that I've actually tried playing with an alt.

Obviously CCP won't ever get rid of alts and would not be able to eliminate multiple accounts even if they wanted to (which they never would), but I am convinced it would be a far, far better game.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-03-22 18:09:47 UTC
If a single character per person model was possible to implement it would make the game better.

Having a good set of industrialists would matter, instead of just being one use alts.
Miners would matter, and corps would have incentive to protect them or else they go to the competition.
PvPers would matter to protect your other corp mates.
Probers would matter, instead of being one use ponies then cloak and minimize the window.
Haulers would matter.
Logistics would matter.
Boosters would matter.
EWAR would matter.
Interdiction would matter.

As it stands so many alts are one trick ponies while people play their combat main. It would honestly make the game a lot better, and it would open up the sandbox idea a lot to have various play-styles, but it's just not possible to implement.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-03-22 18:14:27 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot.
.


That'd create some pretty awesome gameplay. Crime reporters scoping out back system cash handovers between industrialists and pirates, thieves trying to scoop the loot for themselves, maybe a bit of blackmail.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-03-22 19:15:33 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
We had this discussion several times already.
Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player.
What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.

I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters.
This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp.
Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that.

I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot.


..and suddenly a part of the daily transactions becomes vulnerable to carefully laid traps and ganking.
I love your idea and think out-of-station-trading for tax avoidance has a lot of potential for emergent gameplay.
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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-22 20:53:52 UTC
Let's say CCP decided to eliminate alts. What would you do with people that had fully trained but dedicated alts?

Refund?
S.O.L.?
Delete?

I dont see an easy answer to this.

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Kathern Aurilen
#49 - 2013-03-23 00:23:47 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot.
.


That'd create some pretty awesome gameplay. Crime reporters scoping out back system cash handovers between industrialists and pirates, thieves trying to scoop the loot for themselves, maybe a bit of blackmail.
Keeping a eye out for loot drops would bring more people out for exploration

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#50 - 2013-03-23 00:34:20 UTC
Opertone wrote:
make new alt, gank, biomass your character


I've deliberately and maliciously edited the quote to make a point. If you do the above, expect a warning or a ban, biomassing a gank alt, which by definition has a negative security status, is a violation of the EULA

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-03-23 00:34:20 UTC
Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?

I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs.
Dash Bishop
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-03-23 01:54:16 UTC
Mag's wrote:
All I read was:
"Almost everyone else copes with the rules and mechanics of Eve. But I don't, so want CCP to change it around me."


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-03-23 01:54:18 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... Evil


Highsec carebears are overpowered & need a nerf.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-03-23 01:58:51 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt?


I use my main for most of the 'bad' things I do & there seem to be no consequences of note. It's easier for the victims to demand a nerf on the forums.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-03-23 01:59:30 UTC
i literally lolled...
in a game where the majority of people have multiple accounts, youre complaining about alts? rriiiigggghhhhtttt......

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2013-03-23 03:16:32 UTC
I am actually trying to figure out why alts are bad.
About the only reason is the listed one about taking away the newbie friendly jobs to well.
And for that I have no real idea.

Also I am trying to build an overpowered nerf combustion cannon for use in a future event, should I use ABS or PVC tubing?
DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#57 - 2013-03-23 08:11:30 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?

I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs.


If EVE is so hard then why do you need to rely on alts bro?
All of those things are encouraged and so is RETRIBUTION. That would be a lot easier to have with one character per account.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-03-23 11:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
DrunkenNinja wrote:
Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).



1). WRONG !!! I have an account with only 1 characte that NEVER undocks....

2). You suggest griefing someone? Griefing is against the EULA...

3). Quit whining...

DrunkenNinja wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?

I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs.


That would be a lot easier to have with one character per account.


1). EVE is hard...

2). Quit whining...
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