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In 115, do Caldari pilots empathize with how the Gallenteans felt in 110?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-23 00:35:28 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:


We need a neutral Luminaire for both sides, not an endless cycle of trying to steal planets back from each other.
Caldari prime for the Caldari
Gallente Prime for the Gallente
and a system for peace.


Well said.


Agreed on this. Both sides should petition for a unity. Caldari Prime needs assistance as both Gallente and Caldari citizens are in dire need of help. I recommend that Duvolle Laboratories around planet Astrin.

Reason is that it is the only station in system that isn't around a home planet, as well as it is the location that we were evacuating refugees and the injured.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-03-23 00:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lialus Raithe
Adel Khamez wrote:
Perhaps you should have attempted peace before attacking that Titan?


You have repeatedly demonstrated a very selective understanding of history.

On topic: I would prefer to see blood ceasing to be spilled on either side of this conflict, as distant as that vision seems now.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-03-23 00:53:42 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Perhaps you should have attempted peace before attacking that Titan?

No.

You don't get to tell a nation that had a gun pointed in its face that it's wrong for not having negotiated peace first after it knocks the gun out of its assailant's face.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2013-03-23 01:28:07 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:


We need a neutral Luminaire for both sides, not an endless cycle of trying to steal planets back from each other.
Caldari prime for the Caldari
Gallente Prime for the Gallente
and a system for peace.


Well said.


Agreed on this. Both sides should petition for a unity. Caldari Prime needs assistance as both Gallente and Caldari citizens are in dire need of help. I recommend that Duvolle Laboratories around planet Astrin.

Reason is that it is the only station in system that isn't around a home planet, as well as it is the location that we were evacuating refugees and the injured.
For some unfathomable reason (why would your naval facilities and customs offices be over another planet rather than your capitol?), every station besides that one is positioned over Caldari prime.

If the intention is to support the civilians planetside, why not base operations out of the logistics facility that's right there?

If neutral ground is needed, perhaps building a new neutral station would be better. I can;t see a scientific base would be any more appropriate than a naval or governmental base for that. Perhaps even building new facilities for the Federation Navy over Gallente Prime and turning over some of the stations over Caldari prime to Caldari or neutral parties would be warranted.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-03-23 02:53:10 UTC
I myself am Caldari. I however can understand why gallente stations are at Caldari Prime. First the extravagant luxury lifestyle of the Gallente can sometimes be narrow visioned. When leaving planets and looking up at the stars, they probably do not want the giant stations in their skies. Place them around Caldari as a symbol of power. Secondly, It takes resources to run stations. Why mar Gallente Prime's surface when the extreme environment of Caldari prime is available for harvest.

The lab would only be a short term solution. Recommended because that is where Sisters of Eve have set up in response. Being removed from both Caldari Prime and Gallente Prime will remove some tension. Ideally, the Sisters of Eve would set up a station there, but it would take years to construct. In which case, I believe Gicodel would make an excellent choice. Close to Luminaire

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-03-23 04:54:09 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Adel Khamez wrote:
Perhaps you should have attempted peace before attacking that Titan?

No.

You don't get to tell a nation that had a gun pointed in its face that it's wrong for not having negotiated peace first after it knocks the gun out of its assailant's face.


The Fed Navy forced half the population of Caldari Prime to leave by the simple expedient of carpet bombing them, and then you call re-taking the home world a "gun to the face". Until you are willing to admit that the Gallente Federation committed an atrocity that day, and have no right to that planet, then I don't think we are ever going to agree on anything.


If the Gallente Federation's leaders did not desire war, well ... they have bought an express ticket to War-ville.

We shall all see how this works out in the coming months.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-03-23 05:02:49 UTC
The Caldari Navy showed how incompetent they were today. Even bringing that big shot admiral didn't do them any good.

If anything this is a good indication of how future battles will play out.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-03-23 07:58:04 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
The Caldari Navy showed how incompetent they were today. Even bringing that big shot admiral didn't do them any good.

If anything this is a good indication of how future battles will play out.


Don't be a fool, do you know nothing of logistics? The Leviathan was a political weapon, not a military one - you seem to be the only person labouring under the misapprehension that the Caldari Navy can project force into the Federation Navy's backyard as well as they can.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-03-23 08:42:37 UTC
No, I never sympathize with the Gallente. They get plenty of help already from CONCORD and those friendly folks who fly those Polaris frigates around...can't quite remember their names.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-03-23 09:07:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
The Caldari Navy showed how incompetent they were today. Even bringing that big shot admiral didn't do them any good.

If anything this is a good indication of how future battles will play out.


Don't be a fool, do you know nothing of logistics? The Leviathan was a political weapon, not a military one - you seem to be the only person labouring under the misapprehension that the Caldari Navy can project force into the Federation Navy's backyard as well as they can.



Then do you agree they shouldn't have tested us? Do you remember why the Federation Navy fleet was brought into the field? Or do you conveniently ignore and forget things at will?

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2013-03-23 09:22:37 UTC
No, no. I understand why you did what you did. I understand why you did it the way that you did it.

Just stop pretending it was anything other than what it was, and understand why it happened the way that it did.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-03-23 09:30:03 UTC
I feel nothing but the greatest of sorrow, not only for all those that sacrificed with life and blood for that in which they loved and served irrespective of the uniforms worn, but that the skies of my ancestors had to bear witness to the moment where just as once before the State and Federation have locked their talons together and plummet inexorably towards the plains of death for diplomacy and compromise have now been scattered to the winds.

It matters little now what words we may utter, for rhetoric has no value in the years ahead when she shall have to condemn generations of our youth to die by duty's ditch, never having known peace. May they forgive us for our collective burdens of guilt and shame that we did not consider those yet unborn in our failures to act in their best interests, and hope that the knowledge that we who live today did our duty as best as we could will suffice for those whose hearts are inured to compassion due to hate for whatever recriminations they may hold against us.

What is done, is done. What will be, will be.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
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