Ships & Modules

Yes, but imagine what ASB with tengu booster can achieve.

It is still much better than the regular set up.

And if CCP is going to balance these modules, they should make them time proof because they are constantly talking about nerfing boosts so that they have to be on grid to work. Personally I disagree with this, I think off grid boosts should still be available for players but it should only work to a cap. Say only 5 pilots at most can benefit from the boosts. And if you want to boost a fleet, then you need to be ongrid.

You've not had enough experience to give a meaningful opinion on PvP. You cannot base your entire argument on the fact that a ship that has the "right" hardeners will win a fight. This is ridiculous to even suggest because PvP ships are almost always Omni-tanked.

Obviously if you take a "taylormade" ship and fight its desired enemy you have a huge advantage. But this rarely ever happens. The fact that you think this is something that is even worth considering makes me doubt your PvP experience even more. When you go on a roam, you cannot predict what is going to happen and fit your ship to counter that exact situation. EvE is a sandbox, anything that can happen... will happen.

Eve IS just a game. But it is one of the best ones ever made. EvE is as close to masterpiece as you can get.

Every other MMO out there these days can be classified as a WoW clone with a few extra features.


If still think that PvP in this game is orbit and shoot then you have alot to learn. But with this attitude, I expect you will just quit the game sooner or later.

You should really take my suggestion of actually doing more research of PvP before you keep bashing it. There is alot you will learn and then maybe you'd be able to make an argument that actually has merit

It is harder to fit yes, but you can dedicate rigs for fitting them. You'd normally use these rig slots for resists or something when running the normal set up, but instead you can use them for more powergrid or CPU and you will still end up getting better performance than the regular set up.

The idea of having two is that you run one while the other is reloading. If you are ever forced to use both to stay alive then you should start planning your escape because there is probably too much DPS on the field anyways.

I think my suggestion to make the ASB a viable active tanking solution for ships without many midslots or under neut pressure is still the best solution. The normal booster setup should be vulnerable to neuting but in return should offer much more repair power because of how many slots you are dedicating to it.

It will give both boosters an actual use instead of just having ASBs be superior in every way.




Heres an example I just remembered:

Say you are fighting an enemy that is very capacitor dependent and very aggressive. He has a stronger and better fit ship than you. Engaging him straight up will most likely mean death.

You decide to warp to something obvious at a range of 50kms and just sit there. The aggressive enemy follows.

From personal experience you would know that the most common warp ranges are warp to zero and warp to 100, so either way he will have to burn his microwarp 50kms to reach you and tackle you.

This gives you the edge because when he arrives next to you he will be low on cap. Say you have a energy neutralizer on your ship and you nuke the rest of his cap. He is effectively dead in the water, you will most likely win the fight. He had the stronger ship and setup, but the decisions you made and the way you played had an effect on who won the fight. Even though his ship was better and stronger, you still won. You made the odds in your favor by being clever.

This is mearly one example. Like I said, go read up more on PvP. I suggest you watch a quality pvp commentary video.

I've had many encounters that I ended up winning when I really shouldn't have. The above was actually a real fight.

you know what else is worthless in pvp? Codebreakers.

One does not 'simply' use two X-Large ASBs

I like this idea. This is what I hoped to get when ASBs were announced. A shield booster with an inbuilt cap booster, really useful on ships short on med slots. But their huge reloading time + their uselessness once out of charges ruined them for me. For comparison: the AAR at least does a job when out of nanite. But it's even worse, out of charges ASBs are quite dangerous for an inattentive pilot because you can neut yourself empty in just some seconds. I don't say EVE shouldn't punish a lazy or dumb pilot...I just dislike the ASB mechanic. Tried it over and over and simply don't like the inevitable death countdown they represent. AARs are really better in that regard imho.

Cyclone or Sleip with HG crystal set and shield boosters can tank an absolute ridiculous amount of damage for a sustained period of time (pending cap management of course).

I'm curious,how many other games are there where there is a need to balance pvp fights that scale up into the thousands? While I do think that CCP is very sluggish when it comes to making balancing changes, I also think it's in no small part because the pvp in eve IS deep, moreso than in most other MMOs, and this is mainly because of how quickly it scales up, as well as the huge amount of meta-gaming. Balancing a 1v1 fight is easy, hell, balancing a 10v10 fight is easy, but doing so in a way that won't **** up the 1000v1000 fights is not.

As for the topic at hand; if SBs are useless, then it's a good sign that ASBs still need a nerf, there's already enough discrepancy between active armor and shield tanking, we don't need to be making it any worse.

How do you figure?

Yeah but I can get similar tanking with dual ASBs, not have to spend buckets of isk on a faction shield booster and not ever have to worry about enemy neuts or cap management.

With a module that costs 1mil.