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or people who cannot see past their own noses and think their approch is the only approch, an economy based on communism is no economy at all. There are plenty of genuine reasons why someone would be selling cheaper than you and most of these people will still be profiting even if they dont profit to the same levels you believe to be the correct way.
Further if an item is massivelly over stocked best to take a 5% hit today and put the money to use elsewhere for profits than sit on a pile of stuff you cannot sell yet.



or people who cannot see past their own noses. the reverse is also true people who dont show there whole hand in an attemp to artifically inflate prices (un)intentionally spiking the market, leading to a bigger depression when they realise the new price point cannot be supported. And just maybe its an intentional blocking order to create tears in the forum, looks like they rattled your cage with it so jobs a good 'un.
I recently listed 1 billion units of Trit im not fussed about 2300 units let them update there order will sell in second anyhow, btw this is to highlight relativity and to suggest that 2300 isnt alot of item in other market. Think outside the box, A loss to you is not alway a loss to someone else.
Holding a market at an unprofitable level can cause producers to look elsewhere and alot of the time your blocking order doesn't even sell because of the lemming effect and 0.01isk game. Once the produces move to greener fields supply is lowered and your blocking order can be moved back up to your uber profitable levels until the producers return, at which point you rince and repeat.




This isnt true. there is trade happening all over the universe and trade hubs in many regions. There is one super hub your refering to but its far from the whole economy, infact there is alot to the eve economy that never touches the market let alone Jita 4-4. Traders/producers go where the money is. best to have 1 bill today at 3% profit that wait 3 months for 5% profit.



TD:LR these things that annoy you are essential for a healthy economy not a problem with the economy

T2 BPOs are horrible nasty things. I am saving up ISK to buy one.

Funnily enough I've been doing this. Still doesn't change that someone is botting the changes instead of being as bored as I am with changing the price ;)

p.s. got to love the mouse wheel on amending trades.

Too much of a isk faucet. Not enough sinks.

A contract system that is to skeleton and needs to be functional.

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Markets biggest problem is the lack of security on it's transactions and API. The market should not be accesible to 3rd party programs instead forcing market traders to do the leg work themself instead of botting or macroing. Having market data so easily avalible has just flattened the market making it a pardise for programs and not humans.

EVE EULA needs an update banning all macro's and all multi client programs. Sadly the only fair way to implement this would be after a full server restart to remove all the macro and bot isk/materials that exist currently. This is not going to happen and CCP is happy to allow botting and macro as lon g as you follow the sacred CCP bot rules.

Rules for macro and botting.

1. NO RMT- INSTA BAN IF CAUGHT.
2. Don't take the **** and destroy or flood a market or bust trillions of isk (blinging a few titans or supers is kosher but not 20 of them).
3. Don't upset other players (if people moan about your bot you'll get a warning then a time ban if you continue)
4. NO RMT-INSTA BAN IF CAUGHT (needs to be said twice)

T2BPO needs to be mentioned as well. CCP giving out blueprints to it's bestest buddies so they can produce without competition runied T2 and the invention system.

Did you SERIOUSLY just say that T2 BPOS ruined the invention system?

Put down your drink. Put down your food, your cigarette, your cellphone. Put your feet on the floor firmly, and make sure your chair can't flip backward, because I'm about to blow your mind here. Like, absolute Findmuck you. You're never going to get over this one.


T2 Bpos came before invention.

Let it sink in.

A little longer.

A little longer.


I'll say it again, just so you really can come to grips with it: T2 BPOs came before invention. Now do you see why what you said looks so incredibly stupid?

Not to mention that MOST t2 bpos were given out through the lottery system. Only a small portion were gifted by CCP employees into the back pockets of their friends.

I, for one, agree with the idea of marking the markets more realistic.

But to those who say market data is too easy to get, I disagree. There is far less available than in most real markets. Price history has very little data. Charts suck, only go back a year, very few technicals. Oh, and CCP massages the data. Back when I questioned Plex prices around last summer/fall, they made it clear that they selectively scrub "out of range" trades. There were hundreds of trades that got deleted from market history in jita that occurred within a 1 hour time period, from many different players. If anything, you will see that it makes it harder to identify tops and bottoms when this crap is going on. I saw it in many markets regularly before reporting the "bug" only to be told everything is working as intended...

Bots? They annoy me too, but yet again, there are bots in real life trading. If anything, maybe CCP should allow bots, but charge some sort of fee. Model it after NASDAQ- if someone wants to use a bot, allow them, but treat them as market makers, with extra rules/fees/responsibilities. make it cheaper to add liquidity (put up a nonmarketable order) by rebating fees, and charge extra to remove liquidity (market order.) And for God's sake, get the terminology right. I pity all the brokers who have to deal with Eve players whose only market experience is Eve.

This is a professional, candlestick weekly chart about PLEX. All made with exclusively free tools I gave away on this forum, to everyone.
It starts somewhere in 2009, which is just 1 year history less than what you can get from most brokers on important securities like Bund Futures.

It's as clear as it gets, it could be traded with the eyes closed if only it was available in RL.

I am actually going to post a full fledged analysis about it in my RL <=> EvE analysis thread later.