Skill Discussions

It's a game for grownups. Deal with it.

Yeah, I thought you would. That's why i placed a restriction on my statement.

I'm also new, I don't mind the SP wall, but the ISK wall.

First character I had - I thought I need ISK, so I trained as a miner and got a Retriever, I can make 4-5 million ISK an hour afk mining in high sec. Compared to doing T1 missions, I'm rich.
But I am not interested in mining. So, now I started to train a PVP pilot, but also need a mining alt to buy the ships. And I don't have time to play one, then another, so I started this character as a mining/trading/making ISK alt. Don't know if it will pay off, or I'm better with one account.

Maybe the T4 missions I heard about will allow my PVP pilot to get more ISK, so I won't need an alt.

It's easy to say "fit a Rifter and have fun". Without my Retriever alt, can't really buy so many Rifters. Maybe I'm too noob and don't know how to make ISK :)

I understand why I can't train 2 pilots on the same account, it's too useful, new players would feel obliged to do it. And this is a problem. I suggest - allow training 2 pilots on the same account after 1 year of play?

Getting into a PVP corp might help here -- lotsa times there will be free replacement stuff you lose on roams. Alternatively, if they're not big on the "free stuff" paradigm (because they're newbies too, or still a space-poor corp), you can tag along with the missioners to their L2/3/4 missions and share in the rewards.

The ISK will be "slowish" still -- but the real benefit on tagging along is that with a handful of L3/4 missions, you can usually get enough standings to run your own L2/3 missions. The "Connections" skill really helps here (IIRC, if you have it to L3, you need only run a few missions* for a corp to jump to L2 missions)

*I don't know the exact number, maybe one set of 16.



This will just get abused.

I'll take "A" Alex!

Ok, so it would be exactly like the WoW gear/reputation/daily-quest grind, except for new players only. Brilliant. Seriously though, there's enough forces and people on new players telling them the best this and the most efficient that. Telling them they'll actually lose out on skillpoints by not engaging in certain activities is absurd.

Can't we just be happy that there's no more learning skills AND we have a skill queue? Besides, the new players I talk to make more isk in their first two weeks that I ever did in my first 6 months, the ships they have access to have a stronger place in the metagame than ever before, the skill requirements for many t2 modules as well as things like cloaking, overheating, and t2 ships have been reduced/will be reduced, the tutorials are better than ever and provide everything a new player needs to get off the ground. Plus they have SP accelerators for new accounts, right? A new player can't outspecialize a veteran character or beat them 1v1 via superior sp. This does not mean sp is gamebreaking, because eve is not a zero-sum game.

In terms of individual ship performance I do believe that the diminishing returns of lvl 5 support skills are an important factor. It varies ship to ship, but once the rookie can use the same t2 fit and has his appropriate lvl 4 skills, the performance difference between him and teh veteran does shrink considerably. Besides, its these skills, the surgical strike 5's and AWU 5's and drone interfacing 5's that make the difference, not basic stuff like electronics 5.

These suggestions for CCP to break one of the foundational rules of the game are less than worthless. You're suggesting gimmicky, abusable exceptions to the design philosophy to address the stated problem. CCP acknowledges the problem and have chosen to address it through multiple avenues that do not require SP giveaways or hoops to jump through.

I had more fun as a noob than I do now. Once you get all the isk and all the skills, there's nothing fresh left except new content or ingame hobbies [I heart you comedy killmails]

Was I jealous of the pros back when I was a noob? Yeah.

But what I lacked in skillpoints I made up in ambition.

Personally I think the better plan would be to hand them a free clone's worth of unallocated sp and let them obtain skills that way.
This being that a free clone either grants you basic everything so you can try it all or grants you a minor proficiency in one area.
The whole sp buys wins is mostly untrue, while the sp isnt everything crowd needs to look up the reqs on ships and mods.
It takes me 2 weeks to cruiserize an alt to just usable levels, and a month to get it to battle ready status (ie not popping when sneezed at)

The idea should be that meta 0 access should be pratically rained upon your character as a right, while increasing meta value is an earned privilege you work for.
Dust has the right idea with their militia variants being abundant free and usable with practice.

Who remembers 10 Learning Skills
I remember 10 Learning Skills
I remember having to train up all 5 attributes
I remember having to train up to the current starting attributes
I remember partially training up to millions of skill points
I remember training for 1.5 months
I remember training just so my character would train as fast as a current starting character

The answer op is nothing
It has already been addressed
It was addressed with the Incursion patch
This happened at the beginning of 2011
Your main problem is that you don't understand the game

I personally like and support the "skill wall"

This cleans and purifies the EVE environement in a Darwinist way

Please CCP focus in the areas that needs work...no need to break what is a distinctive characteristic of EVE

Yours

Z