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AFK L4s - best option?
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Sin Easts
#1 - 2011-09-07 08:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Easts
Hi everyone,

To put it in a nutshell: I work a lot, I play too little and when I play, I want to do things which I like and grinding L4s for isikes is not one of them. However I am able to play semi-afk at work, so I am considering AFK missioning.

The task is simple, I would like to accept mission, warp to location, alt tab and stay out of the game as much as possible.

Thinking about dual rep sentry Domi, maybe Rattlesnake with FoF missiles? I am not concerned about speed or efficency, just being able to stay AFK for a long time.

Any suggestions?

Cheers
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
#2 - 2011-09-07 08:34:49 UTC
Domi or Rattlesnake. If you get a mission where you can upset the whole room with a few missiles like I do and able to tank the whole room super. Gets tricky and less afk if you have waves as the drones tend to get targeted.

I never used FoF missles. Herd in the past they were dangerous if you get someone who tracks you to take your salvage?
Little Tempest
Little Tempest's Pleasure Hub
#3 - 2011-09-07 08:37:50 UTC
You could also mine, this would be less of a problem - mining ice or even normal ores. The only problem is that it doesn't make much money, but on the other side you can run multiple accounts being 3/4 AFK.

I'd recommand a proteus.
Kesshisan
#4 - 2011-09-07 08:43:11 UTC
[Gila, L4s]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Domination Heat Dissipation Field
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Berserker II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Ogre II x5


My AFK L4 mission boat. The entire Domination active hardener set will set you back about 20-30mil. Of course I swap out the active hardener and the passive resistance amplifier for rat specific missions. This ship moves at nearly 500 meters a second and has over 500 DPS tank for most mission specific rats.

This ship is incredibly overtanked, and that is exactly what I wanted for my AFK mission boat. You will need to clear out the webbing frigates sometimes, and getting aggro on the entire room can be obnoxious at times, but while moving at 500m/s you can get in range of new targets fairly fast, and the assault missile launchers are usually good enough to pop frigates...and when they're not, your Warriors and/or Hobgoblins are plenty powerful enough for that job.

It's not a true AFK boat because you do need to clear out the webbing frigs, then make sure you have aggro on everything, and then make sure there are no triggers... But this would be nearly true with any other afk ship.

The pros:

This is so incredibly overtanked.
500 m/s movement is awesome for retrieving that loot canister 49km away.
Can afk run any mission without a trigger or time reinforcements.
Cruiser skills train so much faster than Battleship skills.

The cons:

Skill requirements are high for my specific fit. You will need the following:
-Heavy Drone Operation V.
-Gallente Drone Specialization IV.
-Minmatar Drone Specialization IV (if you want to use Berserkers.)
-Very high drone skills (I have Drone Navigation to V to complete missions faster.)
-Perfect Capacitor skills.
-Perfect Afterburner skills.
Not a true AFK boat because webbing frigates need to be removed.
Short range on assault missiles can make it difficult to get aggro on entire rooms.
A Gila is much more expensive than a Dominix.
A Gila doesn't make a good sentry boat.
You need to train up two different Cruiser skills vs only one Battleship skill.
nocaffeine
High Flyers
#5 - 2011-09-07 08:44:04 UTC
ratlesnake would probably be best for this sort of thing, or if thats more isk than you were hoping to spend or if you wanted something smaller the ishtar with a passive shield tank might also be a good option.
Sin Easts
#6 - 2011-09-07 09:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Easts
Little Tempest wrote:
You could also mine, this would be less of a problem - mining ice or even normal ores. The only problem is that it doesn't make much money, but on the other side you can run multiple accounts being 3/4 AFK.

I'd recommand a proteus.


Yeah, I thought about it, however I would like to stay on one account and also do not want to waste the training time on skills I wouldn't use during my "prime time"

I am curious about the proteus, people usualky keep saying its basically not viable for anything?


Kesshisan wrote:
... cool stuff...


Looks promising, thanks a lot! I will do some EFT warrioring to see how does it stand with my skills.



I am personally inclined towards the Rattlesnake, do not mind the inevstement if it pays out...
Kesshisan
#7 - 2011-09-07 09:51:58 UTC
Sin Easts wrote:
Looks promising, thanks a lot! I will do some EFT warrioring to see how does it stand with my skills.

I am personally inclined towards the Rattlesnake, do not mind the inevstement if it pays out...


If you have the isk and the skills the Rattler will probably be the best ship for you. It's definitely more tanky than any other ship that fits your requirements here (you can do level 5s in a Snake) but the skills required are something approximating the following:

-The ability to shoot Cruise Missiles for initial aggro.
-Caldari Battleship IV
-Gallente Battleship IV

Here's something I threw together real quick:

[Rattlesnake, AFK L4s]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile

Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Large Core Defence Field Purger II


Ogre II x5


This ship is stupidly overtanked and this is far from the best AFK Snake fit. I literally threw this together in a few minutes. This also has a low CPU and PG fitting requirements so fitting should be easy. With all LVs this is a 1605 DPS tank vs Serpentes (55 Therm 45 Kin) and the 3x Drone Navigation Computers will ensure your Ogres get to their targets faster than the 2 you would put on a Gila or a Dominix. The tractor beam in the high slot will enable you to pull in any mission cans earlier than you otherwise would so I consider that a useful high slot for when you need to retrieve an item from far away.

Oh and note that the rigs are Field Purger IIs for the rigs. Don't buy a Snake and put 500k worth of rigs on it. That's just silly in my opinion. I think the Snake deserves some faction love, but there are no passive shield faction modules other than hardeners and resistance amps, and for those I was too lazy to do the research to see what things cost so I'll leave that up to you.

More on the rigs: You can swap the purgers for Extender IIs and still have over 1k DPS tank and have an incursions ready ship, too, if you want to go that route.

I looked into using the snake as an AFK boat about a month ago, and I came tot he conclusion that the Snake is a waste for AFKing L4s while the Dominix exists, but if you have the skills, isk to burn, and you expect it to eventually pay for itself, it's your EvE to play the way you want to, and you shouldn't let people tell you how to play your EvE.
Sin Easts
#8 - 2011-09-07 12:33:58 UTC
Kesshisan wrote:



I looked into using the snake as an AFK boat about a month ago, and I came tot he conclusion that the Snake is a waste for AFKing L4s while the Dominix exists, but if you have the skills, isk to burn, and you expect it to eventually pay for itself, it's your EvE to play the way you want to, and you shouldn't let people tell you how to play your EvE.


I am somehow aware that the Domi is probably sufficient, but I thought that with the Snake I am buying myself more room for possible errors.
Occasionaly warping out the ship and replace toasted drones when they killed a trigger too soon is acceptable, however warping out the pod and replacing the whole ship is not. Smile
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#9 - 2011-09-07 14:13:47 UTC
Dual Rep Domi is perfect for what you're looking for. I see them all the time as I ninja, even have an Alt who rolls one from time-to-time when I'm too busy w/ RL to do other stuff. Only drawback is it's a big, fat slow pig and annoying as Hell if you have to move around much. It's just hard to beat the Domi, such a flexible fine ship. There are any number of fits for you to look at on BC just get T2 sentries ASAP.

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Fozzy Dorsai
Friendly but Irritating
#10 - 2011-09-07 16:03:37 UTC
My vote is for the Rattler due to the insane tank. You just load up on Heavies, aggro with your cruises, and let them go. Time not being an objective you won't need to do FoF, but it will speed things up a little bit.
The key really is to choose the missions right. You definitely don't want ones with any significant spawns. While Heavies aren't THAT expensive, you are cutting into your isk if you have to replace one a room. So find an area with 3-4 L4 agents you can rotate through until you find good AFK missions and then milk them.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#11 - 2011-09-07 17:35:31 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
Dual Rep Domi is perfect for what you're looking for. I see them all the time as I ninja, even have an Alt who rolls one from time-to-time when I'm too busy w/ RL to do other stuff. Only drawback is it's a big, fat slow pig and annoying as Hell if you have to move around much. It's just hard to beat the Domi, such a flexible fine ship. There are any number of fits for you to look at on BC just get T2 sentries ASAP.



The AFK Domi is good, and at first looks cheaper than and AFK RS.

But I have done both, and to do the missions with a **** ton of incoming DPS, the RS winds up being a way better choice. Since you can put only t2 mods on it and get a great tank, and you have to use faction and complex mods on the Domi to get the same numbers, the Domi becomes gankbait. The hull is whats expensive on an RS, but hulls don't drop when ganked.

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Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-07 17:39:02 UTC
I would recommend the rattlesnake, because it allows you to pretty much afk any mission with an excessive tank. A dual rep AFK domi also works, but the problem is that all too often I have walked away from an afk domi and come back to a pod because of a trigger spawn that screwed things up. An afk domi also has issues against angels, mercs, and rogue drones due to the resist profile. You can fit an afk rattlesnake to get a 1500dps omni tank, fully passive, or 2500dps tank mission specific. It minimizes the time that you spend in game, allowing you the maximum amount of ignoring.

-Arazel
Sin Easts
#13 - 2011-09-07 18:33:28 UTC
Thank you, you confirmed my thoughts about the Snake beying more tanky and error proof, therefore ideal for my case!

Thanks a lot for your help, much appreciated Blink
Mad Hops
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-09-07 19:10:47 UTC
Although the rattlesnake is more error-proof, it is also more expensive. If for some reason somebody shows up as red to you (stole something, etc), your fof missiles could shoot them and agress them. I believe sentry drones will only target and shoot things that are shooting you, so they wouldn't be too much of a problem. The ishtar is a great choice due to low sig radius and the ability to still use 5 sentry drones. The t2 resists are handy as well, especially for serpentis/gurista/merc missions.

I suggest browsing some of the loadouts on Battleclinic and finding yourself a highly rated fit for the ship of your choice!
OilSlick Rick
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-07 19:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: OilSlick Rick
Kesshisan wrote:

Short range on assault missiles can make it difficult to get aggro on entire rooms.



Range shouldn't matter as long as you can lock something. You can use a civilian gun to aggro entire rooms just by shooting at them.

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Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#16 - 2011-09-07 20:24:18 UTC
Firstly, do you have crap-tons of isk to spend yet? If not, get the Domi. It does the same job for a lot less that a rattle. As far as the proteus, I wouldn't use that for afk missions, such a waste of a beautiful t3. If you do want a cruiser hull tho, get the Ishtar.

But that said, you're afk, so being a few min faster/slower doesnt make a huge difference and you should just set up a 100 mil or so domi as opposed to an 700+ mil rattle.

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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#17 - 2011-09-07 21:03:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Solomar Espersei
I'm not sure what sort of Domi you're proposing there, but I doubt it will be all that exciting as a gank magnet. I think I can speak with some authority on that matter and really, if the total in deadspace, faction and officer stuff isn't over a Billion, most of us aren't going to bother. Only half of that will drop so you're looking at 500 mil in payout before figuring in the cost of Apoc/Pest and mods. Having said that, you can build a pretty damned serviceable Domi for under 1 Bil. Big smile

Seriously though, I would agree that the Snake is probably better if for no other reason than the Cruise Lnchr which reach way the Hell out there. OTOH, you can buy about 6+ Domi hulls for the Snake hull and supposing you do want to pimp it up a little bit, blingy armor mods are typically cheaper than blingy shield mods. Really though, I'd wager the OP would probably progress along the lines of Basic Domi>Slightly Pimed Domi>Rattlesnake.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#18 - 2011-09-07 21:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Mad Hops wrote:
Although the rattlesnake is more error-proof, it is also more expensive. If for some reason somebody shows up as red to you (stole something, etc), your fof missiles could shoot them and agress them. I believe sentry drones will only target and shoot things that are shooting you, so they wouldn't be too much of a problem. The ishtar is a great choice due to low sig radius and the ability to still use 5 sentry drones. The t2 resists are handy as well, especially for serpentis/gurista/merc missions.

I suggest browsing some of the loadouts on Battleclinic and finding yourself a highly rated fit for the ship of your choice!


Quote:
But that said, you're afk, so being a few min faster/slower doesnt make a huge difference and you should just set up a 100 mil or so domi as opposed to an 700+ mil rattle.


You ain't making a domi that can tank any level 4 and be cap stable for less then the rattlesnake. If you think you can I would like to see the build.

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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#19 - 2011-09-07 21:30:46 UTC
Mindless AFK Domi

HIGHS
5X Silly 250mm Railguns for chipping away at rats and drawing aggro
Drone Link Aug

MIDS
5X Cap Recharger II

LOWS
2X LAR II
Coreli C-type Adapt Nano Plating
3X Meta 9 Faction Armor Hardeners for Mission (Shadow Serp, etc.)
Suitcase II

RIGS
3X Large CCC

Tanks just damn near anything and does exactly what the OP asks. Cap stable even for very low SP toons (neut towers and such will be a problem, but just don't do those AFK). Fatty here tanks Gurista to the tune of 1150 or thereabouts (at all 5s, stable at 46% and no implants). Draw aggro, throw out drones, go make a sandwich, put the football game on, post on the new forums, wtvr. Check in every few minutes or so to maybe change drones or what have you. Can be ran by relatively low SP toons and is just what the OP is looking for. I'll grant you there are Rattlesnake builds that will smoke this thing, but Hell, there's no harm in training this one along the way. You'll lose a drone or 3 along the way, but that's what happens when you AFK. Chance of the NPCs actually hurting it are very slim.

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whaynethepain
#20 - 2011-09-07 23:07:14 UTC
I use a mission fit drake, t1 drones and fof missiles, orbiting a can with ab on.

But I normally only mission to higher my sec-status or for LP, so I am no expert.

The F1 button may need to be pressed every ten mins or whatever unfortunately, to set the missiles rolling.

Personally I would not afk anything that cannot be insured well, and the drones will die.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
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