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CSM elections: I think Mittens had it right in these 2 paragraphs...

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-03-21 07:30:25 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted...


Who seriously care... don't get me wrong, i like the idea of the csm it's a cool eve gimmick, but it's really nothing more.

They are no say in the development of eve, if they did null would be in a lot better shape, it's nothing more then PR.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#62 - 2013-03-21 08:03:06 UTC
solution: VOTE FOR ALL THE CANDIDATES \Big smile/
Dave Stark
#63 - 2013-03-21 09:22:49 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


Never trust a Goon.


quite.

but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate.

i like the goons, personally.
still, i wouldn't trust them.
Frying Doom
#64 - 2013-03-21 09:25:20 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


Never trust a Goon.


quite.

but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate.

i like the goons, personally.
still, i wouldn't trust them.

They remind me of a Used car dealer I used to know. Smart as a tac, friendly as hell, real nice guy.

But I wouldn't trust him with a dollar of mine.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave Stark
#65 - 2013-03-21 09:30:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


Never trust a Goon.


quite.

but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate.

i like the goons, personally.
still, i wouldn't trust them.

They remind me of a Used car dealer I used to know. Smart as a tac, friendly as hell, real nice guy.

But I wouldn't trust him with a dollar of mine.


sounds about right, to be honest.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-03-21 09:32:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.

can i haz so good "something" to smoke? Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#67 - 2013-03-21 09:41:35 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
on the mitani dot rag The Goons Evil Overlord wrote:

Single Transferable Vote and You
STV is the new voting system for CSM8, which means that 'overvotes' are a thing of the past. If I had run under a STV system for CSM7, my 10,058 votes would have translated into the top spot for me, as well as #2, 3 and 4 spots for whoever was under my ticket. I advocated against a STV system as I believe it would allow nullsec to completely rig the election with maximal efficiency; Two Step likewise warned against this. CSM8 will be a test of my Cassandra-like warnings. Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank; your average unaligned voter in hisec will put in maybe one or two candidate names. Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership.




IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 )

Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...


There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-03-21 09:43:42 UTC
Bane Veradun wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.


Too bad he is in the pockets of nulsec idealism.



Too bad he quit the race.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dave Stark
#69 - 2013-03-21 09:46:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?


i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that. i appreciate each player will have their area of expertise with regards to which security space they live in, be it null, empire, or wormhole space etc but surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?
Ai Shun
#70 - 2013-03-21 09:46:31 UTC
CCP should roll a D12 followed by a D10 divided by 2 ... Then a D8. That should give them the month, week and day of the election. A day before-hand they post it on the forums and we all go and vote for somebody.

Maybe that will save us from the self-same threads year after year after year after year after year.

Which, you know, is amusing as we get to see the same rot every time. But I'd much rather read about the people who forgot to train racial Cruisers to 4, yeah?
Dave Stark
#71 - 2013-03-21 09:49:43 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
CCP should roll a D12 followed by a D10 divided by 2 ... Then a D8. That should give them the month, week and day of the election. A day before-hand they post it on the forums and we all go and vote for somebody.

Maybe that will save us from the self-same threads year after year after year after year after year.

Which, you know, is amusing as we get to see the same rot every time. But I'd much rather read about the people who forgot to train racial Cruisers to 4, yeah?


that's fine you only need racial cruisers to 3.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#72 - 2013-03-21 09:53:23 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Those who do not like the system can try beating it by getting the most votes. If this is too much effort then they are doing it wrong.

Beating the system by submitting to it? That makes no sense at all.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.


It makes a hell of a lot more sense than trying to beat it by quitting. You know, like you're trying to.





















Good luck with that. I'll be over there, actually getting things done.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#73 - 2013-03-21 09:54:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?


i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...


Now you do.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
pussnheels
Viziam
#74 - 2013-03-21 10:09:53 UTC
Why even bother wwith this farce
CSM was and always will be a PR tool for CCP aslong less than 20 % of elegible voters vote this will not change

CCP does what ever the pleases and the CSM will never have any influence in the descision making , not aslong as i said less than 20% of the voters even bother to vote

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#75 - 2013-03-21 10:11:24 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Why even bother wwith this farce
CSM was and always will be a PR tool for CCP aslong less than 20 % of elegible voters vote this will not change

CCP does what ever the pleases and the CSM will never have any influence in the descision making , not aslong as i said less than 20% of the voters even bother to vote


So what you're advising is: is don't vote and keep it a farce instead of voting and making it less of one?

Pussnheels, everyone.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-03-21 10:22:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.


i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.


So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-03-21 10:32:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?


Now you are just being reasonable. Stop that.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Josef Djugashvilis
#78 - 2013-03-21 10:56:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?


i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...


Now you do.


Read the article.

Mittens for CSM8.

This is not a signature.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#79 - 2013-03-21 11:02:30 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?


i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...


Now you do.


Read the article.

Mittens for CSM8.


Blink

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-03-21 11:15:29 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.


i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.


So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?

James never submitted his application, so therefore you can save your laughter.

tl;dr? James isn't running.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.