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Peemptive question on Typhoon future
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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-20 13:10:02 UTC
As most know the future of typhoon will be as a torpedo boat. T hat being said, I really need to preemptively cry out loud.

Do not give us a 7.5% Target painter bonus on the second bonus! A battleship should NOT receive that! That role is of the vigil and if you waste a whole battleship for the SAME effect would be stupid!


So please do not even THINK of giving the same bonus that the vigil and the bellicose already have jsut becuse its a missile boat. A BS cannot match a frigate as a TP platform and it deserves a completely different bonus!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-20 13:13:23 UTC
mm.. perhaps the classic minmatar ROF bonus along with a damage bonus

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-20 13:23:00 UTC
The golem loves it bonus to target painters and does well because of it.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-20 13:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The golem loves it bonus to target painters and does well because of it.



The GOlem is a PVE BoaT. You shall NEVER balance a PVP ship based on PVE scenario.

Its enough that they DESTROYED the marauders making them PVE ships (There should be ZERO ships focused in PVE on this game)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-20 13:43:00 UTC
Low sensor strength is what makes marauders PVE ships, not the bonuses or the capabilities.
If they had the sensor strength of a normal battle ship the would dominate in the PVP world.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-20 13:46:00 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
There should be ZERO ships focused in PVE on this game


I agree, remove mining barges, Exhumers, Industrials, Transports, Orca, Noctis, Primae, etc.!

Roll
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-20 13:53:44 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Low sensor strength is what makes marauders PVE ships, not the bonuses or the capabilities.
If they had the sensor strength of a normal battle ship the would dominate in the PVP world.



I don't think you are factoring in the isk difference here or the extra skill time to get to marauders

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#8 - 2013-03-20 13:54:15 UTC
ROF/Damage bonus + missile explosion sig/speed bonus could be fun. Torp phoon would be epic :D
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-20 15:47:31 UTC
I'm going to miss the skill intensive Phoon that shined so well, if you took the time to train for it.

I can't help that Eve will be somehow diminished by this change.

Almost like when Coke changed their formula....
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#10 - 2013-03-20 16:27:27 UTC
Out of curiosity did anyone load sentries when sniping in it?

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tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#11 - 2013-03-20 17:12:04 UTC
sniping phoon? I thought many went MWD/Torp/Neut and forgot that they had drones.

Where the science gets done
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#12 - 2013-03-20 18:01:49 UTC
Still going to be a better missile ship than the Raven probably.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-20 19:17:00 UTC
Jonas Sukarala wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Low sensor strength is what makes marauders PVE ships, not the bonuses or the capabilities.
If they had the sensor strength of a normal battle ship the would dominate in the PVP world.



I don't think you are factoring in the isk difference here or the extra skill time to get to marauders

All T2 ships cost more and have higher skill point requirements than there t1 variants, so I'm not sure where you were going with that.

My point was a TP bonus on a missile battle ship is a good bonus.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2013-03-20 20:30:49 UTC
TP bonus on a torp BS....especially one like the phoon that is almost as nimble as a BC...would make it much more effective against smaller targets. I want one...NAOW.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#15 - 2013-03-20 20:35:08 UTC
one of the uglier ship models in the game- might we get a reworking from the art department on this one?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-03-20 22:11:59 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
There should be ZERO ships focused in PVE on this game


I agree, remove mining barges, Exhumers, Industrials, Transports, Orca, Noctis, Primae, etc.!

Roll

Those are all amrket/industry pvp ships, derp.

a pve ship is a ship whos use does not lie outside NPC factions and NPC targets.
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#17 - 2013-03-20 22:15:08 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
As most know the future of typhoon will be as a torpedo boat. T hat being said, I really need to preemptively cry out loud.

Do not give us a 7.5% Target painter bonus on the second bonus! A battleship should NOT receive that! That role is of the vigil and if you waste a whole battleship for the SAME effect would be stupid!


So please do not even THINK of giving the same bonus that the vigil and the bellicose already have jsut becuse its a missile boat. A BS cannot match a frigate as a TP platform and it deserves a completely different bonus!

So you think that a dedicated Torp boat, with a bonus to the most useful module it can possibly use, is a bad idea?

Personally, I'm hopeful for a TP bonus on it. I don't see a damage + RoF combo working, it would be mental with 6 launchers, which is what I see coming. (Not to mention that's the Tempests thing.) Giving it a tank bonus would fringe on the Maelstroms turf. A range bonus would make it another Raven.

TP makes the most sense out of the options.

Not giving it a TP bonus because the vigil and the bellicose have it is ludicrous. Here's the pattern I see:
Vigil - TP
Breacher - Shield Boost
Bellicose - TP
Cyclone - Shield Boost
Typhoon - TP

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#18 - 2013-03-20 22:16:15 UTC
TP bonus will be like a damage bonus to all ur torps, drones and brosefs weapons. fun to be had.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Brucknasty
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-20 22:45:57 UTC
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
one of the uglier ship models in the game- might we get a reworking from the art department on this one?

+1 It really does need re-skinned.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#20 - 2013-03-21 07:40:41 UTC
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
one of the uglier ship models in the game- might we get a reworking from the art department on this one?


Moa says hi
The phoon looks awesome
also the faction versions are some of the fastest battleships if you fit them right (1.5 KM/s w/MWD)

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