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CSM elections: I think Mittens had it right in these 2 paragraphs...

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-03-20 17:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
on the mitani dot rag The Goons Evil Overlord wrote:

Single Transferable Vote and You
STV is the new voting system for CSM8, which means that 'overvotes' are a thing of the past. If I had run under a STV system for CSM7, my 10,058 votes would have translated into the top spot for me, as well as #2, 3 and 4 spots for whoever was under my ticket. I advocated against a STV system as I believe it would allow nullsec to completely rig the election with maximal efficiency; Two Step likewise warned against this. CSM8 will be a test of my Cassandra-like warnings. Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank; your average unaligned voter in hisec will put in maybe one or two candidate names. Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership.




IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 )

Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-03-20 17:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#3 - 2013-03-20 17:47:43 UTC
TELL us something NEW.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-03-20 17:48:37 UTC
The fact is that getting the HighSec player base to band together to do anything is like herding cats.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#5 - 2013-03-20 17:56:41 UTC
Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.

The Tears Must Flow
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-03-20 17:57:19 UTC
Good, we can get something done in the CSM for once.
Daimar Lavode
#7 - 2013-03-20 18:06:51 UTC
I will stick with my past voting practice of clicking "abstain" to show that I am aware of the elections but don't believe they do anything for me or accomplish anything more meaningful than being a PR tool.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#8 - 2013-03-20 18:07:06 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
on the mitani dot rag The Goons Evil Overlord wrote:

Single Transferable Vote and You
STV is the new voting system for CSM8, which means that 'overvotes' are a thing of the past. If I had run under a STV system for CSM7, my 10,058 votes would have translated into the top spot for me, as well as #2, 3 and 4 spots for whoever was under my ticket. I advocated against a STV system as I believe it would allow nullsec to completely rig the election with maximal efficiency; Two Step likewise warned against this. CSM8 will be a test of my Cassandra-like warnings. Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank; your average unaligned voter in hisec will put in maybe one or two candidate names. Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership.




IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 )

Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...



Does anyone really care anymore? Except for the Mittens contingent of course.

CSM is a joke, a way for CCP to claim they are involving the player base, while paying off a few players who they think help drive the game.
What has come from the CSM that is actually in the game? Other than fluff of course.

And if null is so highly represented why has 0.0 been broken for years, and nothing done about it? Shocked


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-03-20 18:11:49 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.


It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#10 - 2013-03-20 18:11:56 UTC
Obviously, the answer is to vote for me Blink

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#11 - 2013-03-20 18:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
baltec1 wrote:
Good, we can get something done in the CSM for once.


lol CSM & "getting something done" in the same sentence BlinkLol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#12 - 2013-03-20 18:37:38 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The fact is that getting the HighSec player base to band together to do anything is like herding cats.



Well didn't that spoon throwing Dutch chic get hi sec kitties banded together enough to get herself voted in?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#13 - 2013-03-20 18:52:03 UTC
CSM is a joke, and I'll never place a vote...

...
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#14 - 2013-03-20 18:53:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The fact is that getting the HighSec player base to band together to do anything is like herding cats.

Herding cats is easy: Open a can of tuna in the place where you want the cats to be.

Hi-Sec'ers, on the other hand, are magnetic mono-poles. They repel each other violently, so can consequently can only go in opposition of their own best interests.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2013-03-20 18:57:27 UTC
I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#16 - 2013-03-20 18:59:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.

You are correct, Sir.


But when has that ever mattered in EVE-O forums?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#17 - 2013-03-20 19:01:11 UTC
"CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#18 - 2013-03-20 19:06:08 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
"CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to.

Smile Yep, which makes sense. Eloquent communication, both to CCP and to the community is pretty much the name of the game. That and a solid understanding not only of the game mechanics, but of how people use (or will use) them.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#19 - 2013-03-20 19:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
CCP is well aware of how the CSM is shifted in favour of nullsec.

CCP's number one priority is to keep all players "comfortable" to the degree they can without scaring away any specific group and they would never let the CSM jeopardize the subscription income brought in by the high sec players.

the CSM is a simple PR tool and will never have any actual saying in the game. The planning and running of this game is done on a white board at CCP. It's done by analysing server statistics and server data that that the CSM doesn't even have access to in the first place.

Yes the CSM will be run by nullsec but the CSM is a joke and the punchline remains that people will work their butts off and spend billions of ISK to gather votes into a position of no authority. It's the high-school student council all over again.


I'm not sure who the joke hits the hardest. The people who "win" the CSM or the doomsayers who worry about what they might do with their supposed "power"


There's only one way that players can effect CCPs decisions and that is to challenge their bottom line.

Like when Jita was taken hostage. Concord was buffed. That was players forcing CCPs hand to make them do something by challenging their money.

And with one trip to Jita and some piracy they wielded more power than the entire CSM has done in its history.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#20 - 2013-03-20 19:10:33 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
"CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to.

Smile Yep, which makes sense. Eloquent communication, both to CCP and to the community is pretty much the name of the game. That and a solid understanding not only of the game mechanics, but of how people use (or will use) them.

Not sure if you missed the sarcasm or detected it and cleverly rebutted with additional sarcasm. <_<

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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