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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2013-02-18 19:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Am i missing it in the patch notes or tags that will drop from NPCs in low sec are not being introduced in this release?

Tags that give back security standing

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-02-18 23:45:02 UTC
Can anyone pls answer, i still cant find anything in the patch notes.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3 - 2013-02-19 07:15:17 UTC
There has been no news on the development of a "Tags for sec" feature since it was discussed at the CSM summit in December. Check page 63 of the notes.

In short, "tags for sec" is not going to be included in Retribution 1.1, unless CCP really want to just spring it on us without notice (it has not been mentioned in any devblog or patch notes).

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-19 07:16:43 UTC
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2013-02-19 07:22:27 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.

Grinding up security status to regain access to hisec takes a really long time and is really boring (especially if you're starting from a full -10). Many of the people who want to improve their sec status also happen to have a lot of ISK, assets, or real life money (for PLEX). They would like to apply that resource to solve the sec status problem in a quicker way than through grinding it up. Plain and simple.

The particular implementation of "tags for sec" discussed by the CSM also got positive feedback as these special tags would only be available in lowsec, which would -- in theory -- increase the population and traffic of lowsec. See the summit notes (linked above) for more details.

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BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#6 - 2013-02-19 07:30:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.



Go -10 and then try to grind up to -2.0 and you'll see why
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-19 07:32:45 UTC
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.

Talk about making Eve into a theme-park. Guess it's not just carebears that want easy mode.



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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-02-19 07:38:59 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.


Just allows you to convert the 'consequence' from grinding through PvE to paying someone else to grind through PvE.

Still a consequence, just a different one.

Just like the consequence of losing your ship can either be grinding roids and manufacturing a new one or paying someone else to grind roids and manufacture a new one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-19 08:46:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.


Just allows you to convert the 'consequence' from grinding through PvE to paying someone else to grind through PvE.

Still a consequence, just a different one.

Just like the consequence of losing your ship can either be grinding roids and manufacturing a new one or paying someone else to grind roids and manufacture a new one.



Except, you know, they can spend RL money on plex, and use that plex to buy the tags, to fix their sec status. It's essentially a micro transaction. They would be paying for a sec status increase, with real life cash...

Consequences should not be fixed in that way. If you want to go -10, and pirate lowsec, then go to 0.0 after, spend a couple evenings, system to system, 1 bs each, and fix it. It's not supposed to be super easy to fix your standings...
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
#10 - 2013-02-19 09:00:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.


Just allows you to convert the 'consequence' from grinding through PvE to paying someone else to grind through PvE.

Still a consequence, just a different one.

Just like the consequence of losing your ship can either be grinding roids and manufacturing a new one or paying someone else to grind roids and manufacture a new one.


It's rare that I agree with RubyPorto, but for me that quote ends the thread - good point well made.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2013-02-19 09:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Arronicus wrote:
Except, you know, they can spend RL money on plex, and use that plex to buy the tags, to fix their sec status. It's essentially a micro transaction. They would be paying for a sec status increase, with real life cash...

Consequences should not be fixed in that way. If you want to go -10, and pirate lowsec, then go to 0.0 after, spend a couple evenings, system to system, 1 bs each, and fix it. It's not supposed to be super easy to fix your standings...


Except that it's not MT. CCP still has to shell out the 1 month gametime that is the only thing that PLEX represents. By your logic, ships, modules, minerals, and so on are all micro-transactions.

And it's still a consequence. Like I said before, you're just paying someone else to do the grinding. The same grinding still gets done.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2013-02-19 10:06:21 UTC
Arronicus wrote:

Except, you know, they can spend RL money on plex, and use that plex to buy the tags, to fix their sec status. It's essentially a micro transaction. They would be paying for a sec status increase, with real life cash...

Consequences should not be fixed in that way. If you want to go -10, and pirate lowsec, then go to 0.0 after, spend a couple evenings, system to system, 1 bs each, and fix it. It's not supposed to be super easy to fix your standings...


Well I could also spend RL cash on a toon with shiny sec status. Toon that somebody else developed. How is it different from buying tags to fix my toon's sec status? Except of course me having yet another alt.

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-02-19 10:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
There has been no news on the development of a "Tags for sec" feature since it was discussed at the CSM summit in December. Check page 63 of the notes.

In short, "tags for sec" is not going to be included in Retribution 1.1, unless CCP really want to just spring it on us without notice (it has not been mentioned in any devblog or patch notes).


on some interviewes i heared that those might be comming in this patch. I dont know if it was from CCP or CSM guys.

And the tags are not only for rising sec status. It will be a nice way to earn isk for low sec inhabitants and high sec ninja ratters. Low sec is desperately in needs of such a things.

Well what to say i am really disapointed.

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#14 - 2013-02-19 10:38:38 UTC
Posting in another pre-patch "someone said something about an idea why isn't it in the patch notes?!?!?!" thread.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-02-19 10:41:46 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Posting in another pre-patch "someone said something about an idea why isn't it in the patch notes?!?!?!" thread.


Yes and? Good for you. Keep it on.

lol

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RAP ACTION HERO
#16 - 2013-02-20 05:36:36 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.

Talk about making Eve into a theme-park. Guess it's not just carebears that want easy mode.



DMC

lol we don't care about your 5.8 sec stat

vitoc erryday
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-20 08:19:25 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.

Grinding up security status to regain access to hisec takes a really long time and is really boring (especially if you're starting from a full -10).


8 hours is apparently a really long time now.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2013-02-20 08:29:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
8 hours is apparently a really long time now.


Compared to the time it takes to lose it:
http://zedrikcayne.blogspot.com/2011/06/socratic-filesthe-ultimate-punishment.html?zx=4d4d8bb9abdc733a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZjUBymhbrzw

Lol

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dieter Rams
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-20 15:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dieter Rams
Need moar info on the progress of this nao; my security status is dropping!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-20 16:05:46 UTC
good feature. make it so you can grind SP with these tags and i will fully support it.

"grinding haven't go anywhere, you pay and someone grinds for you"
"you can spend your money for new toon"
did i miss something?What?

PS: yes, it was sarcasm.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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