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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#61 - 2013-03-20 00:39:55 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:


Prudent advice. A decade late, but prudent. Some of us have felt the wind grow cold for quite some time now.

Here's another tip. Stay away from any place with its own natural gravity well. You'll know why when it happens.


Thank you. I hope to at least alleviate the issue and mass media is always a good way to get my message across. But it is very disheartening that there are people in this galaxy that seem to want to tear it apart when it's already nothing but scraps.

And I will heed your advice. Not sure why, but I have a nagging feeling that I should.


Great minds dress alike.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-03-20 01:46:41 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:


Prudent advice. A decade late, but prudent. Some of us have felt the wind grow cold for quite some time now.

Here's another tip. Stay away from any place with its own natural gravity well. You'll know why when it happens.


Thank you. I hope to at least alleviate the issue and mass media is always a good way to get my message across. But it is very disheartening that there are people in this galaxy that seem to want to tear it apart when it's already nothing but scraps.

And I will heed your advice. Not sure why, but I have a nagging feeling that I should.


Great minds dress alike.


Indeed. We need to start a fashion line.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-03-20 02:03:26 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:


That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.



The cheering has already started. And they are selling t-shirts already.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-03-20 02:09:30 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:


That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.



The cheering has already started. And they are selling t-shirts already.



Yeah, I was thinking about what you said when I saw that advertisement.

It's completely disgusting. It's so hard to say "I am Gallente" with pride if this is what being Gallente means these days.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Adel Khamez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-03-20 02:14:01 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


Yeah, I was thinking about what you said when I saw that advertisement.

It's completely disgusting. It's so hard to say "I am Gallente" with pride if this is what being Gallente means these days.


I had intended my t-shirt comment as a jibe at the Federation, and perhaps an angry and poor joke as well.

And then someone takes it up as a good idea?

I am surprised at the depths some folks will go to.


Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-03-20 02:18:46 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:


That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.



The cheering has already started. And they are selling t-shirts already.


One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#67 - 2013-03-20 02:22:25 UTC
The belittlement and generalization of even our enemies is hardly an honorable profession. While the capsuleer selling t-shirts is disgusting, I know a number of honorable and righteous among the Federation who show how unequivocally foolish such poor rationalizations go. There is no honor in mudslinging.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-03-20 02:22:48 UTC
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:

[...]
And that nightmare scenario would leave no side as the victor, be it Caldari Military, Gallente Military or Civilians of any allegiance.


Then we are in agreement. Let us hope others see it the same.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-03-20 02:29:36 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:


I had intended my t-shirt comment as a jibe at the Federation, and perhaps an angry and poor joke as well.

And then someone takes it up as a good idea?

I am surprised at the depths some folks will go to.




Mentas Blaque may be a little outspoken about foreign policy, but he knows what he's talking about when it comes to internal affairs. The Federation is turning into a nation of degenerate hedonist. The fact that someone is trying to sell entertainment out of a tragedy just shows this.

Lialus Raithe wrote:


One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.


You are correct, we must make sure that we do not let people define who we are as a nation. If we must go out of our way to separate ourselves from these people, then so be it. Anything to convince the world that most of us are not like them.

Simon Louvaki wrote:
The belittlement and generalization of even our enemies is hardly an honorable profession. While the capsuleer selling t-shirts is disgusting, I know a number of honorable and righteous among the Federation who show how unequivocally foolish such poor rationalizations go. There is no honor in mudslinging.


It always seems that you come in at the right time to say just the right thing.

But yes, be it Gallente or Caldari, the actions of a few must never define the whole. It seems that our concept of a majority rule (in voting at least) and your concepts of a greater good seem to work well together in this case. Our two societies aren't as different as you might think, it's a shame conflict began between our two nations. As capsuleers we can either make it worse, or make peace. I hope for the latter.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#70 - 2013-03-20 03:00:01 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:


It always seems that you come in at the right time to say just the right thing.

But yes, be it Gallente or Caldari, the actions of a few must never define the whole. It seems that our concept of a majority rule (in voting at least) and your concepts of a greater good seem to work well together in this case. Our two societies aren't as different as you might think, it's a shame conflict began between our two nations. As capsuleers we can either make it worse, or make peace. I hope for the latter.


Kind but undeserved words, there are at least a few who will fervently disagree with that notion.

The conflict between our people is not in the intent of our systems but cultural refusal of each others chosen path. The Caldari and Gallente stride down different road which led us to very different beliefs in how things should be done and often violent clash's when our paths intersect. Our existence [the Caldari] was forged through hardship, self sacrifice and survival of the whole at the expense of the few. The great good of the whole often means sacrifice.

I believe in the cause of peace, and I will continue to strive to insure that we reach it some day. The world I live in today is not the world I want for my daughter.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-03-20 03:27:48 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:


Kind but undeserved words, there are at least a few who will fervently disagree with that notion.

The conflict between our people is not in the intent of our systems but cultural refusal of each others chosen path. The Caldari and Gallente stride down different road which led us to very different beliefs in how things should be done and often violent clash's when our paths intersect. Our existence [the Caldari] was forged through hardship, self sacrifice and survival of the whole at the expense of the few. The great good of the whole often means sacrifice.

I believe in the cause of peace, and I will continue to strive to insure that we reach it some day. The world I live in today is not the world I want for my daughter.


Alas, sacrifice is often necessary. Even here in the Federation we have had to make sacrifices. We have all made choices that we wish we never had to make, but they appear and they appear when we are least ready to make them.

This galaxy is cruel and unforgiving and it will always be that way. However, we can make it such a better place and make outstanding achievements in every field if the Big Four can figure out a way to, at the very least, stop aiming weapons at each other.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-03-20 03:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
In other related news, I recently recieved mail from a concerned viewer who wishes to share her thoughts on what is currently going on. She believes the Amarr Empire might play a role in these events to a certain degree.

Forgive her grammar, but I found that modifying it could contort her original words. It is still readable however.

Anonymous wrote:
i dont wish to post myslf, but one thing that have stuck me is... who gains to destabilice the State and the Gallante, to keep them at each other throats. So what Empire have the resources etc to do this, The Amarr, imply couse it will drive the State to being more dependent of the Amarr, and it will Keep the Gallantes eyes fixed on the State... maybe its a way for the Amarr to be able to escalate things egainst the Republic ? ... well its a thought and i haveno proof, just my logics and reasoning


To which I responded: The Amarr would certainly benefit from gaining more influence over the Caldari State. They have always been an expantionist power so now, with powerful nations and CONCORD they can't rely on conquest anymore. I suppose that if your theory is correct,t hey could be on a long but carefully thought out scheme to exert their influence over New Eden without being forced to break any laws of even fire a shot.

And yes, this could be a diversion. It would also explain why the Amarr are accepting the mercenary clones while other nations turn them away. They would be wise to take advantage of such military strength. The Amarr might be hungry for revenge after the Minmitar invasion of their space during the one day war.


Please keep in mind that these are just theories and do not have any basis in reality that I can confirm.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#73 - 2013-03-20 05:08:07 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
It is addressed to Federation citizens "in this thread" because that is who I am addressing with the point. It really isn't that hard to understand.


Your point is to accuse those of us who happened to read along of being involved? Perhaps we could take this from the top, as your explanations seem to me to be making things less clear.
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#74 - 2013-03-20 08:29:04 UTC
How very interesting. And here I thought that the deadlock might last forever.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station
Mammal Tafren
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#75 - 2013-03-20 08:30:48 UTC
Anitya, Hans. Nothing lasts, everything changes.
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#76 - 2013-03-20 08:32:08 UTC
Spare me the pseudo-spiritual claptrap, you Caldari collaborator.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-03-20 08:33:10 UTC
Mammal Tafren wrote:
Nothing lasts

INDEED.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2013-03-20 09:33:49 UTC
Simon Coal wrote:
Aelisha wrote:
It is addressed to Federation citizens "in this thread" because that is who I am addressing with the point. It really isn't that hard to understand.


Your point is to accuse those of us who happened to read along of being involved? Perhaps we could take this from the top, as your explanations seem to me to be making things less clear.


I will spell it out for your benefit, Coal, assuming that you are not willfully misinterpreting for the sake of some childish skit.

I addressed Federation citizens, as the partisan forces on the planet identify or are identified as Federation members. This makes them your people, and thus it would be highly redundant of me to relate their activities as potentially advantageous to the Caldari. Instead, I addressed, in good faith, your citizens reading this thread; to establish the connection with their own countrymen and how their activity has drawn the national interest in the State away from a potentially advantageous (to the Federation) internal stressor, onto a unifying event.

No blame, no game. Just ensuring that the benefit of a hypothetical situation is clarified in who it would have benefited, had other factors not conspired to have the pot boil over while the other was simmering.

I truly do hope that this clears it up, as the above is entirely too much explanation for such a simple linguistic tool. One which no one else seems to have misinterpreted in the least.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#79 - 2013-03-20 12:34:09 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Adel Khamez wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:


That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.



The cheering has already started. And they are selling t-shirts already.


One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.


Much less an obvious Caldari plant. The capsuleer in question is a graduate of the State War Academy and has been in the FDU for barely 24 hours. I suppose I forgot to mention earlier when a certain foolish journalist was bloviating about the Militia that half of the pilots in it are renowned to be enemy infiltrators, who's actions should be suspect at all times.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-03-20 16:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Rinai Vero wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:
Adel Khamez wrote:
Lialus Raithe wrote:


That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.



The cheering has already started. And they are selling t-shirts already.


One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.


Much less an obvious Caldari plant. The capsuleer in question is a graduate of the State War Academy and has been in the FDU for barely 24 hours. I suppose I forgot to mention earlier when a certain foolish journalist was bloviating about the Militia that half of the pilots in it are renowned to be enemy infiltrators, who's actions should be suspect at all times.


Oh wonderful, you're back. It's like the Hotel Oursulaert with you, you checkout but you never leave.

First you try defending the fool, then you come back to try and cut ties. Not one for loyalty is seems.

Also, you're telling me that half the FDU are infiltrators? I already looked down upon the militia but the more you run your mouth the more reasons you give me to dislike them. Are you trying to discredit the FDU?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!