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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-03-19 07:55:31 UTC
At first I was like no someone should be responsible for the things they do, but then I reconsidered and thought why the heck not. Allow characters to change their name without any repercussion. We're well past the point of people carrying around their reputation, if you're going to do something that's shady you're already going to do it on an alt.

Just make is so they have to be in an npc corp before they do it, and once it's done it erases their corp history and everything else attached to the name. Having a corp history could actually be a positive thing if you're not a complete douche.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#42 - 2013-03-19 08:09:31 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
Why would anyone want to change their character's name?
If you're trolling I guess I'm a fish, but are you seriously asking why? There's a hundred reasons why someone would like to change their character's name. Just do a partial character search and look at some of the names in there... Some were created by players when they were 15 years old, and now the same player is 25... chances are what that 15 years old thought was cool then may not be so cool anymore today. That's just one of the reasons. Here's a few more:


  1. You typed your character name while capslock was on and you're now sick of people yelling at you because they thought you were deaf.
  2. You forgot to capitalize your name and your conscience is kicking you in the nuts because you know proper names are capitalized.
  3. You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass
  4. You thought Zero Cool and Crash Override were original, but after the popularity of the movie Hackers started to lower, you realized that Neo and Morpheus were much better and wish you had picked that instead.
  5. You chose to use a zero instead of an "O" in your name where it should be, and you're tired of people confusing you for another dude with the same name properly spelled
  6. Your name is one character short of being the same as the most wanted criminal in EVE, and you're tired of getting shot on sight by everyone, even Concord.
  7. You named your character after your dog and it got hit by a car yesterday
  8. Your name is way too common and you want to feel more original
  9. Your name is way too original and you want to blend in more
  10. Your name means something embarrassing in another language and now that you know you can't think about anything else when you see it


hmmm... ok, maybe not 100 reasons, but that's still a lot and I"m sure there's plenty more...

  1. You can petition, as it's not a name change merely a change of case.
  2. Same as 1.
  3. Time to grow up and get over it.
  4. Consequences. But style comes around, like a wheel.
  5. People choose zero, when the original name is taken. But if you were after leet, then consequences.
  6. You wouldn't, that was a ridiculous argument.
  7. So? Most have lost pets and life goes on.
  8. We can see you're not original. Consequences.
  9. We can see you are original. Although why this is a bad thing, is rather baffling.
  10. Petition it. If it's a bad thing, they will allow a change.

Next.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-03-19 09:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinigr Shadowsong
"Consquences" is a good word to troll here.

How about to forbid change your avatar? it's consequences, avatar carry on your reputation. Or make a character bio set in stone once it's changed (to carry on reputation and enforce consequences). Forbid changing any personal standings once set. Make a forum signature unchangeble while we are here. Also forbid players to change graphic settings - you should be punished for wrong choices for the rest of your game-time.

Even better, how about to forbid you to change your password? If you selected an easy password than bad for you, there should be consequences for bad decisions!
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#44 - 2013-03-19 09:31:28 UTC
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:
"Consquences" is a good word to troll here.

How about to forbid change your avatar? it's consequences, avatar carry on your reputation. Or make a character bio set in stone once it's changed (to carry on reputation and enforce consequences). Forbid changing any personal standings once set. Make a forum signature unchangeble while we are here. Also forbid players to change graphic settings - you should be punished for wrong choices for the rest of your game-time.

Even better, how about to forbid you to change your password? If you selected an easy password than bad for you, there should be consequences for bad decisions!


wow, now there is an utterly pointless post.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#45 - 2013-03-19 09:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
2) What happens when someone has changed their name 4 times?
If CCP is smart about it, they would set a limit to the number of times you can rename your character. Could even be only once in a lifetime, and I'd be happy with that.


That´s how it´s at the very moment on tranquility. Number of namechanges left = 0.


Quote:
You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass.


I think the ex-girlfriend just wonYOUR EvE :D.


In addition: The char-creation process is allready part of the game.

My true stories
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-03-19 09:44:36 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:

wow, now there is an utterly pointless post.


The point is name affects player (a person) much more than a character. Just like an avatar, a bio or a forum signature.
It does not have any magic responsibility or reputation to carry with. Currently character name is immovable asset just like corp history. I think that name shouldn't be such an asset - a lot of games offer such opportunity for some $$ and it's not that hard to change one's name IRL.

Most important is that name change should be avaible to characters sold via Character Bazaar. With additionl price of course.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#47 - 2013-03-19 10:54:13 UTC
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

The point is name affects player (a person) much more than a character. Just like an avatar, a bio or a forum signature.


I agree, (if I understand you correctly), So if the name affects the player so much then why devalue it by asking for it to be changable. (And if you place such a high value on the name of a character, then dont buy characters, create one with the name you want)


Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

It does not have any magic responsibility or reputation to carry with.


I dissagree.... every character has a reputation in Eve, and the only way for other players to link that reputation to the character is by the name.

Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

Currently character name is immovable asset just like corp history. I think that name shouldn't be such an asset - a lot of games offer such opportunity for some $$ and it's not that hard to change one's name IRL.


Really, other games do it so Eve should too....? thats your argument.
I for one play Eve because CCP place a high importance on doing this that other MMO's DONT do.


Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

Most important is that name change should be avaible to characters sold via Character Bazaar. With additionl price of course.

Abusable.

Plus, if you really have to buy a character, then treat the name in the same way you treat the skills, if its not what you want, don't buy it.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-19 11:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinigr Shadowsong
Name does not value that much. For me it's a same flavour as avatar, bio or forum signature. There nothing special in it.

I don't see how it's abusable.

Anyone wan to give you free isk or makes a very good offer = scammer.
Anyone who is not blue in your system = enemy.

What's the problem with name? Can you give an example of situation in which a person with a new name (with original one shown in bio) have a much easier time to scam a sane non-oblivious person?
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-03-19 12:09:55 UTC
personally i think you should be able to change your name, if buying a toon only.

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#50 - 2013-03-19 12:18:02 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
personally i think you should be able to change your name, if buying a toon only.
real gamers only need one toon .



Quoting with your sig, for the irony!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#51 - 2013-03-19 12:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

What's the problem with name? Can you give an example of situation in which a person with a new name (with original one shown in bio) have a much easier time to scam a sane non-oblivious person?


Its not just about scammers. Its about all types of players.

Scammers
Trustable people
the known AFK Cloaker
a regular miner bumper
a ganker in the area you spend your time in
corp thief
AWOXer
that guy you hate from the forums


All these and more, can be recognized by their name if you 'know' them.

Not only that, if you dont recognize a name, you know that person is an 'Unknown'

Now: If name changes are allowed, any name you dont recognize, may be an 'unknown' or a 'known'.... but you have to click on the character, read the bio, or browse his 'aliases' tab before you can make an assessment.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-03-19 12:27:23 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:

You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass

And you probably lost your girlfriend do to eve anyway, leaves you with two choices.
Grow up, press on and continue to play eve.
Quit playing eve, get a new girlfriend and learn to enjoy real life over a game.

With the latter it won't matter if you biomass the character.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#53 - 2013-03-19 15:29:31 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Zeta Vulcana wrote:


Now start commenting ;)



You really don't want that to happen.

This gets brought up quite a bit. CCP believes that the character's name is part of the online reputation, and that changing it would diminish the power of building (or destroying) that reputation, so they aren't likely to change it.

About half the player agrees with CCP. Roughly half does not.

Both sides are about to land on this thread and troll you into a semi-conscious state of partial dementia.

You have been warned.

i think if you were to buy a charater off the bazzar you should be able to or be prompted to change the name befor logging into it. could help with legitimate players buying charaters off the bazzar and then having multi billions stripped from them cause it had been previously used for botting / RMT

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#54 - 2013-03-19 15:30:46 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Tweaks Huren wrote:

You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass

And you probably lost your girlfriend do to eve anyway, leaves you with two choices.
Grow up, press on and continue to play eve.
Quit playing eve, get a new girlfriend and learn to enjoy real life over a game.

With the latter it won't matter if you biomass the character.

thats neither an idea nor feedback ;p

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#55 - 2013-03-19 17:12:40 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
personally i think you should be able to change your name, if buying a toon only.
Which means it would be available to everyone. This limitation, is not a limitation.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Zeta Vulcana
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-03-19 19:18:36 UTC
Mag's wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Zeta Vulcana wrote:


Now start commenting ;)



You really don't want that to happen.

This gets brought up quite a bit. CCP believes that the character's name is part of the online reputation, and that changing it would diminish the power of building (or destroying) that reputation, so they aren't likely to change it.

About half the player agrees with CCP. Roughly half does not.

Both sides are about to land on this thread and troll you into a semi-conscious state of partial dementia.

You have been warned.
You know what got me the most? TOON. Straight


This "TOON" is getting you a lot considering number of answers. :P

Just admit - you like the idea :)
Zeta Vulcana
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-03-19 19:23:10 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:

What's the problem with name? Can you give an example of situation in which a person with a new name (with original one shown in bio) have a much easier time to scam a sane non-oblivious person?


Its not just about scammers. Its about all types of players.

Scammers
Trustable people
the known AFK Cloaker
a regular miner bumper
a ganker in the area you spend your time in
corp thief
AWOXer
that guy you hate from the forums


All these and more, can be recognized by their name if you 'know' them.

Not only that, if you dont recognize a name, you know that person is an 'Unknown'

Now: If name changes are allowed, any name you dont recognize, may be an 'unknown' or a 'known'.... but you have to click on the character, read the bio, or browse his 'aliases' tab before you can make an assessment.




Let's see Jint - you don't see it as a good idea at all or you see it nice to have with a considerable list of if's?
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#58 - 2013-03-19 20:06:40 UTC
Zeta Vulcana wrote:


This "TOON"



let's talk about this toon, shall we?

Employment History: Pator Tech School [PTS] from 2013.02.15 18:53 to this day

sooooo- it begs the question....who's alt ARE you really o.O .....hhhhhmmm??????
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-03-19 20:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweaks Huren
Mag's wrote:
  1. You can petition, as it's not a name change merely a change of case.
  2. Same as 1.
  3. Time to grow up and get over it.
  4. Consequences. But style comes around, like a wheel.
  5. People choose zero, when the original name is taken. But if you were after leet, then consequences.
  6. You wouldn't, that was a ridiculous argument.
  7. So? Most have lost pets and life goes on.
  8. We can see you're not original. Consequences.
  9. We can see you are original. Although why this is a bad thing, is rather baffling.
  10. Petition it. If it's a bad thing, they will allow a change.

Next.



Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Tweaks Huren wrote:

You named your character after your ex girlfriend and everytime you see it it reminds you of her and you cry, but the character's too valuable to just convert it into biomass

And you probably lost your girlfriend do to eve anyway, leaves you with two choices.
Grow up, press on and continue to play eve.
Quit playing eve, get a new girlfriend and learn to enjoy real life over a game.

With the latter it won't matter if you biomass the character.

I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough... LOL!

Come on guys, you really thought I was serious there?

Still... there are some valid and legit reasons to want a name change other than "I want to get rid of a bad reputation".
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#60 - 2013-03-19 20:22:22 UTC
Obviously there are reasons why people want to change their character's name... but the idea that it should be permitted for any of those reasons is flawed, by virtue of the simple fact that this is EVE, and anything that can be done to underhandedly 'win' WILL be done.

I don't believe this debate has any further merit. Changing a character's name is not allowed because of the foreseeable chaos that would ensue, and we all know it. Simple as that.

OP is new enough to start over with a different name if he/she wants to and would only lose a month's training. Topic should be closed.