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Luminaire situation still unstable, revered Caldari Admiral called back into service

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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
#41 - 2013-03-19 15:51:07 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


The great thing about being a merc, you can say no when people ask you to go into a village and burn people alive.


Then you are a worthless mercenary.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
#42 - 2013-03-19 15:55:41 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts.


Those are the least interesting sorts of escorts.

I can introduce her to far better company during her deployment.

Admiral if you are reading this give me a call, yes? We can provide something for everyone, especially today's go-go-go modern military commanders.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-03-19 16:09:45 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


The great thing about being a merc, you can say no when people ask you to go into a village and burn people alive.


Then you are a worthless mercenary.




And I'd say you were a worthless human-being; but hey, why would I say a thing like that?
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
#44 - 2013-03-19 16:19:04 UTC
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


The great thing about being a merc, you can say no when people ask you to go into a village and burn people alive.


Then you are a worthless mercenary.




And I'd say you were a worthless human-being; but hey, why would I say a thing like that?


You take a client's money to kill complete strangers who have done absolutely no harm to you. That makes you a whore, but one who provides death instead of sex.

That is the very definition of your profession.

To interject little moral highgrounds into your life seems a bit ridiculous. "Oh! I'll take your money and kill this complete stranger, but not -that- one. "




Sabik now, Sabik forever

Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-03-19 16:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Solarienne, I think mean "True citizens" as in the "No True Gallente" logical fallacy


"True citizens" as in Caldari living on Caldari Prime are somehow not people who have basic human rights.

Fancy that. Wanting sanctions against Caldari who live on Caldari prime.

The Federation no longer controls Caldari prime, so they will have to take a rain check on concentration camps.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-03-19 16:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Apologies, hitting the quote button again.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-03-19 16:28:17 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Kallo Unarmored wrote:


The great thing about being a merc, you can say no when people ask you to go into a village and burn people alive.


Then you are a worthless mercenary.




And I'd say you were a worthless human-being; but hey, why would I say a thing like that?


You take a client's money to kill complete strangers who have done absolutely no harm to you. That makes you a *****, but one who provides death instead of sex.

That is the very definition of your profession.

To interject little moral highgrounds into your life seems a bit ridiculous. "Oh! I'll take your money and kill this complete stranger, but not -that- one. "





Besides your very professional mannerisms the people I 'kill' wake up a few seconds later in a new body. I think that brings another set of morals into the equation. Good try though.
Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-03-19 16:28:33 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:

"True citizens" as in Caldari living on Caldari Prime are somehow not people who have basic human rights.

Fancy that. Wanting sanctions against Caldari who live on Caldari prime.

The Federation no longer controls Caldari prime, so you will have to take a rain check on concentration camps.




I could be wrong, but I think there's been a miscommunication somewhere.
Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2013-03-19 16:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Adel Khamez
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Wait, so now there's two titans in orbit??


No, the Admiral took over command of the CNS Shiigeru. (The titan in orbit)


I hope she improves security aboard.

I have heard some rumors about Gallente ground force training hypothetical scenarios set on Caldari Prime that assume that the titan has been crashed into the surface of Caldari Prime.

This makes me very concerned about internal security on that ship.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-03-19 16:31:57 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:


I could be wrong, but I think there's been a miscommunication somewhere.


The woman's statement was rather blunt. She apparently does not consider ethnic Caldari living on Caldari Prime to be "true citizens".

Such alienation is the first step on the road to atrocity.

If these people are not "true citizens", then they can be sanctioned.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Lialus Raithe
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-03-19 16:36:10 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:


The woman's statement was rather blunt. She apparently does not consider ethnic Caldari living on Caldari Prime to be "true citizens".

Such alienation is the first step on the road to atrocity.

If these people are not "true citizens", then they can be sanctioned.


That's not what I derived from her words and please do not mistake my exposition as support.

The catchphrase "any true citizen" implies that anyone unwilling to comply with the ultimatum is somehow less dedicated or deserving of recognition in the same group as the one making the statement. For example, "any true citizen of the Federation would bleed and die for the freedom and individuality" implies that anyone not willing to do so is not as true to the Federation as the one making the statement.

It wasn't so much a declaration against the citizens of Caldari Prime as a blanket call to echo her sentiments.
Per Bastet
B.O.O.M
Obsidian Mining Coalition
#52 - 2013-03-19 16:39:29 UTC
Anyone else think it strange that they are Pulling a Retired Admiral out of Retirement to command a titan in orbit in a hostile system, that is just a little short of being a full blown war zone?

Does anyone know if this Admiral has anything left to live for? Or are we looking at a much larger and more devistating Noir incident?

"Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact."  - CCP Sreegs, 2013

Anslo
Scope Works
#53 - 2013-03-19 16:44:25 UTC
Per Bastet wrote:
Anyone else think it strange that they are Pulling a Retired Admiral out of Retirement to command a titan in orbit in a hostile system, that is just a little short of being a full blown war zone?

Does anyone know if this Admiral has anything left to live for? Or are we looking at a much larger and more devistating Noir incident?


Why would they Noir their homeworld? Unless you mean Luminaire the planet. I really doubt the Caldari would glass Luminaire in response to rebels on their homeworld. Besides, it'd remove the one ace in the hole they have against full scale war. They're holding the planet and using it to keep the Gallente at bay.

They loose the planet, there's nothing stopping the Fed. Hell, they GLASS Luminaire, that's giving the Fed reason to go full scale assault. Besides, I'm sure Fed Nav forces could cyno in if need call for it (DIRE need, like the titan targeting or moving toward Luminaire). But I really REALLY doubt they'd destroy the world they fought so hard for.

At least I hope they won't. I know a lot of people who love that planet as their home, people who won't get off it no matter what..

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-03-19 16:47:35 UTC
Per Bastet wrote:
Anyone else think it strange that they are Pulling a Retired Admiral out of Retirement to command a titan in orbit in a hostile system, that is just a little short of being a full blown war zone?

Does anyone know if this Admiral has anything left to live for? Or are we looking at a much larger and more devistating Noir incident?


They may feel a need to have someone on the Titan who will obey harsh orders, if Roden decides to pull the trigger.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Adel Khamez
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-03-19 16:49:11 UTC
Lialus Raithe wrote:


It wasn't so much a declaration against the citizens of Caldari Prime as a blanket call to echo her sentiments.


Ah, so it was merely jingoism in support of a war that may glass planets?

Fair enough.

Amarr Victor, Deus Vult!

Anslo
Scope Works
#56 - 2013-03-19 16:49:36 UTC
Adel Khamez wrote:
Per Bastet wrote:
Anyone else think it strange that they are Pulling a Retired Admiral out of Retirement to command a titan in orbit in a hostile system, that is just a little short of being a full blown war zone?

Does anyone know if this Admiral has anything left to live for? Or are we looking at a much larger and more devistating Noir incident?


They may feel a need to have someone on the Titan who will obey harsh orders, if Roden decides to pull the trigger.


Sorry if I missed it, but can you confirm where it was Federal soldiers on Cal Prime and not local insurgents causing the damage? I'm not trying to be aggressive, just curious. I don't want to say something foolish without proof.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#57 - 2013-03-19 16:50:46 UTC
Wonderful. Were there no other qualified members among the Admiralty that could handle this task, or was it merely that Heth and his thugs had no one among the Admiralty they could trust to carry their orders out without deferring to the CEP's oversight? This is yet another ridiculous incursion of the political into the realm of the military, and there is no good way for this to end.

To the other members of the CEP, I beg of you -- now is the time to again take up the responsibility that you forsake five years ago and bring this sad chapter of our history to an end. You cannot continue to let this man and his mob continue to run roughshod over Caldari institutions, destroying what our ancestors built three centuries ago to protect us from the very same mistakes we are making now. It is your duty to do what is best for the good of the State.
Evi Polevhia
Chiranjivi
#58 - 2013-03-19 16:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Anslo wrote:
I really doubt the Caldari would glass Luminaire in response to rebels on their homeworld.


Rebels pop up from Faction A and attack Faction B, Faction B responds by attempting to glass Faction A's home planet. Now where have I heard that story from before....
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2013-03-19 16:54:54 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I really doubt the Caldari would glass Luminaire in response to rebels on their homeworld.


Rebels pop up from Faction A and attack Faction B, Faction B responds by attempting to glass Faction A's home planet. Now where have I heard that story from before....


Oh shut up and go calculate the pi or something.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kallo Unarmored
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-03-19 16:55:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:


Sorry if I missed it, but can you confirm where it was Federal soldiers on Cal Prime and not local insurgents causing the damage? I'm not trying to be aggressive, just curious. I don't want to say something foolish without proof.


You...should pay attention to the DUST servers not just IGS.

**Attaches https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54725&find=unread to the file**

It seems they haven't wiped all of us off the planet yet.