EVE General Discussion

After Retribution came out, I found I was very frequently encountering a problem in which people showed up incorrectly on my overview. I would fly in a fleet with my corp or alliance and they would talk about neuts or reds in local that often I wouldn't see because they had blue tags for me. There were also times when people had red tags on my screen when they were supposed to show up blue.

I finally figured out why this is happening, and I have a screenshot to demonstrate it:
http://i.imgur.com/JraZqBj.jpg
It is overriding alliance contact tags with my own contact tags. This is a serious problem and should be fixed right away. I don't know how we are this far into Retribution and this hasn't been fixed already. Tons of people are having "overview bugs" which are actually just them having personal contact standings that are overriding what's supposed to be showing on the overview. I don't think I have to tell you how important it is for the whole alliance to be on the same page with color tags, and expecting me to delete my entire contact history to maintain that is utterly absurd. FIX THIS ALREADY!!!

If you want to shoot them, don't set them to blue?

I personally am not experiencing this on any of my characters, nor is anyone I know of... not to say I am doubting you.

I assume you've cleared your cache?

Your link does not work. imgur says the file was deleted.

Personal standings then need to overwrite alliance standings, because you might want to overwrite them for a reason. If you want to have the latest updates for your alliance standings then just do not overwrite them.

Also, when your alliance has not set a standing does this not mean you can give them any standing you like, because no standing means the same as a neutral standing. You might want to talk with your leadership to find out if and what you are allowed to overwrite.

I deleted that several minutes ago and immediately replaced it. Refresh your screen and try it again.

Some people may want to override them for a reason, but most people want or need their contacts to show by alliance>corp>personal. This is also very important to how nullsec works, as large alliances cannot have new people constantly shooting at blues because they appear the wrong color. I keep saying this and I'll say it again, expecting me to delete or update my contact standings to match my alliance is completely absurd and unreasonable.

I don't see a problem with there being the option to change the order of contact standings derivation, but the default should be the old method. This is vitally important. Why can't any of you see this??

If, prior to Retribution, Goons were showing as orange for you, then that seems like broken behavior. Why would you want someone, whom you've personally set to +5, showing as a hostile on your overview?

Perhaps you and I have different concepts of standing. My understanding is that "standing" is an attribute of an entity (alliance, corporation, or character) assigned by the evaluating entity (you in this case). At any instant, there's only one effective standing for a particular entity (from your point of view). That one standing is derived as I stated above, proceeding from the general (alliances) to the specific (personal).


I have no idea where you reached that understanding. As far as I know, CCP has always intended for personal standings to take precedence over corp or alliance standings.

MDD

You didn't want people to know the neighbor system was PA-VE3?, which means you can only be in one of 3 systems: RYQC-I, RJ3H-0 or G-Q5JU... and no visible stations is systems it's most likely RYQC-I or RJ3H-0.

I never cease to be humbled by the expertise with which capsuleers gather intel. I salute you, sir dexington.

It is not true, you are required to choose a standings setting for each contact.

So by your thinking, what's the point of having a contact list at all? Apparently it's only for deviants and soloists, and everyone else should leave it empty?

So you can maintain your own separate standings for entities that you value differently than the corp/alliance.

In fact, your stance rather seems to raise that very question: what's the point of having a personal contact list if it doesn't override the corp/alliance list to your specific preference?

If you have no people that you want to keep track of that deserve some special standing, then yes, keep it empty. If you want to keep track of people, understand what your standings mean and why you've set them. Find a system and apply it. In particular, learn the difference between “no standing” and “zero standing” — they mean different things an appear and are handled differently by the standings display mechanisms. In your screenshot, the +5 derived standing is entire correct because it is the only standing set by anyone.¹

Someone you've set to +10 probably got that for a reason. Presumably, he won't shoot you and you won't shoot him, unless someone tells either of you otherwise? If you have no reason, then don't set him to +10.

If it's just for tracking purposes, simply give them a zero standing or a -10 standing by default (e.g. a known supercap pilot), depending on why you're tracking them — zero standing in particular marks someone as “keep an eye on this guy” so that you know to check up his details whenever you see him in local to see what he's up to right now.

edit: …in fact, just testing this, zero personal standing doesn't override corp standings, meaning that you can use this as your default fall-through for people you want to track for whatever reason without interfering with externally mandated settings. This means that the ¹-remark above might not be entirely correct, but then I have to ask: why on earth would your corp/alliance set someone to zero standing rather than give them no standing? I'm still guessing that it would have shown the same regardless, since it's the only explicit standings setting in the list.