EVE General Discussion

Dev soundwave wrote.

"Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender)."

What is everyones opinion?

I don't think Ganking a ship that has a tank should be profitable. However Ganking a ship with a strong tank but an overly valuable cargo should be.

Management of tank to wealth of cargo ratio should be an important factor and certain ships like T1 Industrials should not be safe reward wise while caring valuable items above their strength. Instead players should require skill time and money invested into better ships or to hire people with skill into stronger haulers to ferry the goods.

Ganking is your reminder to use the right types of ships for the right jobs with the proper fit. Otherwise people will profit by taking your overstuffed wallet off your bullet ridden corpse.

Ganking shouldn't always be profitable.

It /should/ be profitable, when someone's done their research and picked their target appropriately.

Ganking Exhumers probably won't be profitable. At least not if the exhumer pilot has a clue what they're doing. If they're an idiot who doesn't have any tank (small shield booster doesn't count) then sure. Though profit is iffy. Not a huge amount to get a profit from with it.

by ganking not being profitable hes obviously talking about 2 catalysts killing a 200m barge and salvaging looting it for a profit. even if the barge is fitted with meta crap it will still make the gank a profit, thats not ok. hes not talking about blowing up a fail faction fit tengu thats sitting afk at a gate. that's a good gank, with planning and coordination, plus a lot of work to check the fit and find a target.


by just making gank targets drop a can only and no wreck mission runners still drop all the goodies, while barges don't drop t2 salvage.

Tough to gank a T2 barge with only 2 catas profitably, friend. It will have to be completely untanked and in a low enough security system (min 0.6) to allow enough volleys to land. It's just too easy to fit a tank on a Hulk/Mac/Skiff and prevent this scenario (mid slots/rigs??). It definitely is ok to learn the hard way, even if its only 2 catalysts teaching them.

They'll only get ganked once, then they'll learn to EVE.

I never liked the Procurer and Skiff update for this reason. I said that they should have gotten 150-250 Grid for Large Shield Extenders instead of base huge HP so people would have to fit the tank.

I also wished that the Covetor and Retriever got 3 Mids, the same T1 to T2 Mid Slot Ratio as the Procurer to the Skiff to fit a small tank + min scanner.

Yes and no.

If someone is flying around with **** plexes in an untanked hauled on AP, well yea that should be profitable and potentially the AFK pilot will learn a lesson (or more likely just rage quit).
But for ganking miners..No this should not be profitable. Please note im not saying im against ganking barges and similar, but it should be for a reason beyond "ohh shiny". Weather or not its the "tears" as people put it, because its marco miners, or some other reason that can make it..play more into the story of EVE (like defending "your" belts, cutting down on competition or you just dont like the name of that corp and you want to harass them).

For the hauler it takes work and dediction to find a suitable target and people should be rewarded for their effort.
For the barges.. Well go to the closest ice belt and have fun! Not much work requiered thus a player should have a... deeper reason beyond the ISK value to see those barges dead.

But thats just my opinion, and since i have never done this my self there might be something im missing or have not considered.

Last time I checked it was the Gankee not the Ganker that made a gank profitable...

If your dumb and you carry too much stuff... you should always be open to a gank...

You put Cal Navy Invuls on a Mack... of course someone is going to shoot you...
Plex in that noobship... its going to disappear in a rapidly expanding cloud of high energy particles...

Even The New Order get profit from their ganks... they get the warm and fuzzy feeling of steering the miner away from the path that leads to botdom...

As a miner, mission-runner and general hisec carebear, I also say yes.

This is a new and never before discussed topic in Eve.

So many new and interesting viewpoints to consider.

Thank you.