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New to Eve Need advice for what ship to use.

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Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-15 07:10:16 UTC
Ok so currently i have an alt miner and while he is doing his thing i rather enjoy doing some PvE.

What im looking for is:

A ship that i can use in High Sec that will do well against any PvE missions i encounter there.

A ship that due to its survivability is just not really worth killing in high sec because of the ship that would be required to take it down before concord arrives.

I am aware that any ship above what i have now will require training and that is why im now trying to find out which ship to aim for. So i can get the required skills and start training them.

That being said i really like the idea of alot of armour/shield capacity. Drones sound like they could be nice. Because im so new i dont really care what type of weapons they are. Although it might be nice to experience something other than 75mm turrets that i currently have....I do like explosions so i suppose missiles or something could be cool but whatever is fine. I also prefer a ship that doesn't look like crap.

Docking is obviously a must.

I have around a bill at the moment but if i feel like its a quick need i can get a few bill more via Plex.


I've also done alot of reading on other posts on the forums and googling around and from what i understand there really isn't a "best ship" for PvE. That being said im not looking for the absolute best. I'm looking for the best that still falls under my criteria.


So can anyone help?

Any and all help is much appreciated =)
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#2 - 2013-03-15 07:33:37 UTC
My best recommendation is a drake or Caracal navy issue

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-15 07:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthetic Dawn
Drake Doe wrote:
My best recommendation is a drake or Caracal navy issue



Looked into them but they seem to mainly support missles. While i love the idea of explosions i think it would be pretty neat to have some drones as well.

Also is there anything with a bit higher shield/armour? As i said it must be able to dock so obviously no titans etc=P
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2013-03-15 07:42:46 UTC
Afaik the drake can use 5 light drones.
If you real like drones take a look at the dominix or rattlesnake. Afaik rattlesnakes are a common sight on mission hubs.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2013-03-15 07:44:30 UTC
If you like drones, your ultimate options are the Navy Dominix and the Rattlesnake. Both are decent in missions.

Edit: yeah, what he said.
Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-15 07:47:43 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
If you like drones, your ultimate options are the Navy Dominix and the Rattlesnake. Both are decent in missions.

Edit: yeah, what he said.



Well i must say the rattlesnake looks quite nice. But i dont only base on looks.

Thank you all for the advice. Its very much appreciated =)
Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-15 08:21:36 UTC
Ok so now my next question would be.

What would be a pretty decent fitting that would fit the following criteria?

Hard to kill not really worth the time/ship/money to kill in high sec. I don't want to be an instant target and if i am i don't want to make it easy. I wanna make anyone who attacks me have to pay more than what it was worth. IF possible.

Decent amount of damage including drone damage etc. Would be great to get as much of the 4 damage types as possible just to make sure i cover all the basis.

Like i said i plan on sticking to high sec for now i have no plans to be traveling into low sec or null sec at the moment as im just learning the game.

So what would be the best ideal fittings for the criteria i have mentioned above as well as ammo/drones etc?
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#8 - 2013-03-15 09:25:34 UTC
Gila or myrmidon may help

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-03-15 09:27:36 UTC
Start with a Dominix. 350mm rails, active armor tank with mission-specific hardeners, sentry drones, omnidirectional tracking links and target painter in the mids. Some propulsion, the new Micro Jump Drive looks like it's gaining ground in PVE.

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Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-16 06:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Friggz
Cynthetic Dawn wrote:
Ok so currently i have an alt miner and while he is doing his thing i rather enjoy doing some PvE.

What im looking for is:

A ship that i can use in High Sec that will do well against any PvE missions i encounter there.

A ship that due to its survivability is just not really worth killing in high sec because of the ship that would be required to take it down before concord arrives.



That being said i really like the idea of alot of armour/shield capacity. Drones sound like they could be nice.


A Dominix might suit you. They are drone battle ships with high tanks and can do level 4 missions easily.

As long as you don't use faction mods you won't be worth suiciding on. I don't know how people fit domis to run missions off hand, but there are probably a ton of mission fits out there, plus you will usually use hardeners based on what type of rats you'll be facing.
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-03-16 10:11:54 UTC
thrasher
hurricane
maelstorm
Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-03-18 17:42:19 UTC
Friggz wrote:
Cynthetic Dawn wrote:
Ok so currently i have an alt miner and while he is doing his thing i rather enjoy doing some PvE.

What im looking for is:

A ship that i can use in High Sec that will do well against any PvE missions i encounter there.

A ship that due to its survivability is just not really worth killing in high sec because of the ship that would be required to take it down before concord arrives.



That being said i really like the idea of alot of armour/shield capacity. Drones sound like they could be nice.


A Dominix might suit you. They are drone battle ships with high tanks and can do level 4 missions easily.

As long as you don't use faction mods you won't be worth suiciding on. I don't know how people fit domis to run missions off hand, but there are probably a ton of mission fits out there, plus you will usually use hardeners based on what type of rats you'll be facing.



So i probably shouldnt purchase the navy issue Dominix? It would give me like 9k more health or so. But its also 3x more expensive. Would it then be worth suicideing on?
Praxximus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-18 17:52:17 UTC
Dominix's are fat, slow, ugly, and while they do a decent job of running missions, they are fat, slow and ugly :)

A lot of people like them because you can basically warp into a site, turn on your tank, launch sentry drones and just sit there and pick stuff off.

Not really my style, lol.

Way back in the day when I did high sec mission running, I used a proteus. Great mission ship. Good speed, awesome tank, pretty solid firepower, can field 5 medium drones. Before that I was using a Kronos and before THAT I was using a Hyperion. Hyperion is decent, Kronos was really good but I hate big bulky slow battleships, so the Proteus worked really well for me.

As is the case with many things in EVE it is ultimately going to come down to your own play style and preferences. You can ask for all the advice you want, and do with it what you will but as time goes on you are going to find that there are things you like and things you don't which are going to end up shaping what kind of ship you end up flying.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-18 20:42:36 UTC
Roseline Penshar wrote:
thrasher
hurricane
maelstorm

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Scynner
South of Heaven Ltd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2013-03-18 21:23:28 UTC
I like my prophecy. Very versatile by being able to change your damage type. For weapons I use heavy missiles but main damage is from drones.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#16 - 2013-03-18 21:27:54 UTC
If you're talking about L4 missions, then any non-faction or T2 battleship, as long as you don't put stuff higher than T2 equipment on it. Once you start pimping out your battleship, then the attractiveness of ganking you increases.
Cynthetic Dawn
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-19 17:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthetic Dawn
I do appreciate all the advice i will take it all into consideration.

But i feel like i've worded what i want a bit wrong so i guess i should just tell my exact situation.

I have a rule in which i always abide by money wise. Be it in a game or IRL. Which my friend tells me oddly enough is a golden rule in Eve. Which i find very smart. That rule i abide by is never have anything i cannot afford to replace. Be it a car a computer an item in game or whatever. In this case it would be a ship in Eve.

Because of the lovely system Eve has that allows a player to buy Plex and then sell it on the market for in game money. In game money will not be an issue for me. Be it 100m or 100b. Because of this it does not matter to me the price of a ship.

What im aiming for in this is to find a ship that i can aim for in the future that basically would be the "hardest" ship to kill in High sec because of its massive tank ability.

My goal in this ship: I want to make it as difficult and as costly as possible for anyone ganking me. I want a ship that would be so hard to take down that you would need ships worth atleast as much or more than the ship im piloting to bring it down and then several people on top of that just to be able to bring it down before concord kills them.

I am currently training several alts in pretty much the same skills. All of them on multiple accounts. So im not worried about someone looting my ship when its poped. For them to do that they are gonna have to be closer to that ship than my alts are and i plan on keeping all my ships fairly close at all times.

What i want is something so hard to take down that the fact that its so hard to take down and the fact that its not alone will deter most gankers.

While i must say the idea of being killed and having my stuff stolen from me that i worked hard for isnt appealing. The idea of
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-03-19 22:14:12 UTC
If you don't put the really expensive mods on your ship then gankers will probably just pass you by without a second look. By expensive mods I mean the deadspace boosters (the lower ones may be ok, but the A or X types are a big red flag) or the faction resist mods. A little bling is ok, but the more you put on the more it becomes worth their time.

But since you said you're planing on doing fleet missions with similarly equiped ships that does open up more choices than a single beefy battleship. I personally find that having multiple ships with drones is very annoying, but if you still want that then you've already heard a lot of good options.

But focusing on the that you're planning on having your own personal fleet with identical boats that opens up a lot of other options. Specifically it opens up the ability to spider tank remote reps/cap buddies on ships such as the nightmare, tempest (or fleet issue), or typhoon (or fleet issue). That will really make you less of a target because it will remove the very expensive shield booster/armor repper modules from the picture, and allows you to focus on having really strong defenses because you moved some of your tank into open high powered utility slots.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-03-19 23:53:35 UTC
Rattlesnake if you like drones, can fit launchers too.. or mach cause it works well almost everywhere
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-20 10:36:24 UTC
If you aim for the Rattlesnake, you should go for the Caldari then Gallente path. this is the fastest way.


explanation down here.

The Rattlesnake is (all Guristas for that matter) a shield tanking drone ships with missiles suport.

Caldari has a shield tanking missiles line that gets you through every mission with great ease, will you master your missiles, shield tanking and Caldari hulls, even a bit of drone training already.

This will get you to the (in your case asking for a heavy tank) to the SNI (Scorpion Navy Issue) which can run every lvl 4 mission with it's eyes close.

From there you can perfect you drone skills and the Gallente hulls.


Would you do it the other way arround.

You need to learn armor tanking gunnery suport and Hybrids, which are usefull, but not needed on the Rattlesnake.

so in short.

kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake-> Raven -> SNI (And everything that makes it better)-> Drone skills and Gallente hulls -> Rattlesnake

Goodluck.

I tried something like this myself though found the SNI and CNR all I needed to fly. then refocused to something else.
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