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Is High Sec a Mith?

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#41 - 2013-03-18 11:08:08 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:

- Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM

What?


He is from hisec, give the guy some slack.

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Radamant Nemess
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
#42 - 2013-03-18 11:15:24 UTC
Checked killmail and it`s a really nice shield booster. Gank magnet actually.. And why the hell are you using cruise missiles on a torp boat?? Torps and target painters go well together Pirate

i can fail at any speed you like
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-03-18 11:17:35 UTC
evedawn wrote:
Firstly what is the right section then?

Secondly because its never happened to me before & I've never heard it could happen!

The only thing that happened before was I got a pirate in a mission & laughed at him because he got shot from the mission pirates...

I never got a suspect flag & did not see any of them get blown up afterwards. I am still waiting to see battlelinic's report on the event.

Still think High Sec is a mith & the game is unbalanced towards or for the aggressor with skills. In other words bully training in motion...



The name is HIGH security, not PERFECT Security.

As in real life If i have a gun I can go out and kill anyone I want, I would just have to pay the price of going to jail (or worse depending on place). The only way to make that impossible is to not allow anyone to have weapons.

Eve is not a fantasy magical paradise where magical barriers make your guns work on some targets and not work on others. You have guns? Then you can use it on anything... you might be spanked for that, but you still can.


Want to take revenge? Put a bounty on those guys and go kil them or hire someoen to kill them

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#44 - 2013-03-18 11:18:35 UTC
Raging OP - check
under performing faction fetish **** fit - check
complete lack of understanding on the game - check
tears - check

Good stuff.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-03-18 11:20:14 UTC
Radamant Nemess wrote:
Checked killmail and it`s a really nice shield booster. Gank magnet actually.. And why the hell are you using cruise missiles on a torp boat?? Torps and target painters go well together Pirate

Because with cruise missiles he can sit still in his mission. Just shoot stuff and loot wrecks with a tractor beam. You don't really expect a mission runner to move, do you?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-03-18 11:26:10 UTC
evedawn wrote:
Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.


and the nullbears keep whining about hi-sec being to safe...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2013-03-18 11:42:45 UTC
dexington wrote:
evedawn wrote:
Yesterday I got Insta popped in a Golem undocking from Osmon Station.

and the nullbears keep whining about hi-sec being to safe...
…which it is if it takes a silly 3bn fit to get ganked.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#48 - 2013-03-18 11:43:19 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:

- Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM

What?

Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry.

If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.

So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle.

Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-03-18 11:51:12 UTC
a mith is a lady moth.

forums.  serious business.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#50 - 2013-03-18 11:58:52 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:

- Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM

What?


If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle..

If the angel is the same, it should not matter how fare away the bookmark is.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#51 - 2013-03-18 12:00:28 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:

- Make a insta undock bookmark. The further away, the faster you align to it, so make it larger then 500-1000KM

What?

Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry.

If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.

So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle.

Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks.


That makes zero sense because range as such has nothing to do with it, only angle. So if someone undocks at a certain angle and then burns away without correcting his path and makes a BM at 170 and 500km you'll get the same behaviour when you undock and use either of those BM's. One could argue that it would be easier to correct your BM direction when you're further away but that's not really true, it's about doing it right and not about how far it is from station.

There's of course a good reason to make a BM some 500-1000km away from station but it has nothing to do with your angle and everything to do with wanting to be off grid. For more info on undock bookmarks and other undocking tricks check my guides, link is in my sig.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-03-18 12:11:30 UTC
...and THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why carebearing is bad.


All those sugary treats rot your socks and lower your IQ.

Someone plays a game for over 4 years, while somehow not bothering to actually learn anything about the game.

So please, please, next time you see a newbie, toss them in the deep end before they end up like this guy 4 years later.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-03-18 12:20:46 UTC
Dissatisfied customer is dissatisfied
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-03-18 12:21:28 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
...and THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why carebearing is bad.


Everyone is allowed to **** up once, it's only carebaring if you do it over and over, choosing not to except the reality of eve.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#55 - 2013-03-18 12:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentient Blade
In some ways its down to user common sense, with over pimping ships and not being aware of your surroundings.

In other cases it's down to the horrible difference between PVP and PVE fits where in a PVE ship has to out of necessity sacrifice most of its EHP in order to achieve a worthwhile active tank. A PVP ship shields has to last maybe 30 seconds to a minute in a brawl and takes maybe 70k EHP damage. A PVE ship may absorb 10x that much damage over the course of a mission, or more but only have 20k EHP at any given time.

But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#56 - 2013-03-18 12:33:43 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:

Has something to do with the angle you undock at and some triangle geometry.

If I understand it right, the closer you are to the undock with your warp, the greater the angle you have to align yourself from the deviated angle to the straight instant warp angle.

So with a far enough away bookmark, even a freighter will warp instantly, even with maximum ejection velocity and maximum undock deviation angle.

Of course this will also depend on the accuracy of your bookmark. Flying straight isn't always as easy as it looks.


That makes zero sense because range as such has nothing to do with it, only angle. So if someone undocks at a certain angle and then burns away without correcting his path and makes a BM at 170 and 500km you'll get the same behaviour when you undock and use either of those BM's. One could argue that it would be easier to correct your BM direction when you're further away but that's not really true, it's about doing it right and not about how far it is from station.

There's of course a good reason to make a BM some 500-1000km away from station but it has nothing to do with your angle and everything to do with wanting to be off grid. For more info on undock bookmarks and other undocking tricks check my guides, link is in my sig.

Guess I am thinking too much in triangles and not enough in vectors. I was always bad with vectors.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-03-18 12:37:53 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados.


A small group of 5 nados should be able to instapop a marauder, especially if fitted for low ehp, it's all working as intended.

You are not safe in hi-sec, and flying something worth killing makes it even less safe.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-03-18 12:42:45 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I smell a rat. No Golem KM, but did find this one that is nearly 3 years old.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16832717

Was posted earlier


I honestly thought it was a troll post until I saw this, the OP ticked so many carebear cliches. Poe's Law at work I guess.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-03-18 12:45:18 UTC
This sounds like Thalia Eng, usually in a cynabal scanning ships, has caught you.
Please send her my best wishes.

Thank you. :)

@Mr. Nemess

Osmon is also a nice place to grind mission runners and ice miners.
Not that i do that, but i've been there and have seen it.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-03-18 12:50:41 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
In some ways its down to user common sense, with over pimping ships and not being aware of your surroundings.

In other cases it's down to the horrible difference between PVP and PVE fits where in a PVE ship has to out of necessity sacrifice most of its EHP in order to achieve a worthwhile active tank. A PVP ship shields has to last maybe 30 seconds to a minute in a brawl and takes maybe 70k EHP damage. A PVE ship may absorb 10x that much damage over the course of a mission, or more but only have 20k EHP at any given time.

But so long as PVE missions are what they are, people will continue to fly ships which can be instapopped by a small group of nados.


That's why an ISK tank is an option for mission ships. Without that 1.5bn Shield Booster, the Golem would make a much less tempting target.

However your EHP figures are off. A nekkid Golem would have 40k EHP. 60k EHP with the DC II. 80k with his hardeners on.

Judging by the damage taken on the killmail, he didn't have his tank modules turned on.