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Really bored maelstrom and tracking problems.

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#1 - 2013-03-16 09:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Hi guys,
As the title says i have a maelstrom which I really like but having 3 tracking enhancers II and one tracking computer with tracking script and still missing the opponents many times in many ranges is a little annoying and boring.So I want a battleship that uses missiles gets bonuses for missile damage speed and can get good missile damage and range so I don't miss again .Tell me what to train for please.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#2 - 2013-03-16 09:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Doe
Raven and cruise missiles, or typhoon if you don't mind mixed guns

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#3 - 2013-03-16 09:50:50 UTC
lol.
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-16 10:08:17 UTC
if you have already get projectile it's better to use typhoon
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#5 - 2013-03-16 11:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
OK typhoon fleet issue does 10%-12% less damage than raven with missiles and same skills so what you think of this setup?

5 x arbalest cruise launcher I
3 x 800mm "scout: artilley

Heavy electrochemical capacitor booster (with cap 800s) ???
Large shield booster ii ???
Invulnerability field II ???
???

Ballistic control II x 3
Damage control II
Adaptive nano plating II x 2
1600mm reinforced steel plates II
Large armor repairer II

Large anti thermic pump I
Large anti em pump I
Large anti kinetic pump I

5 wasps I
5 hobgoblin

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-16 14:24:08 UTC
Raven.

Afterward you can upgrade to Navy Scorp or Navy Raven. Since you are clueless on how to use arti, I suggest Navy Scorp.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-16 16:31:22 UTC
Yeah, so these cruise missiles are gonna take out these frigs that your ACs are missing?Lol

The EFT warriors who tell you that missiles have no tracking fail at EFT warrioring, as well as Eve.

Missiles are the worst tracking weapon system in Eve, as their tracking cannot be improved with increasing range. Hit frigs with ACs at range (volley good for down to ~12km on approach), use drones on any that manage to reach orbit.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#8 - 2013-03-16 16:36:44 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Tell me what to train for please.

It's not IG training, it's pilot skill that's going to make a difference here.

Fly away from the rats as they approach. They will keep approaching, reducing their own transversal.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-16 17:25:01 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Yeah, so these cruise missiles are gonna take out these frigs that your ACs are missing?Lol

The EFT warriors who tell you that missiles have no tracking fail at EFT warrioring, as well as Eve.

Missiles are the worst tracking weapon system in Eve, as their tracking cannot be improved with increasing range. Hit frigs with ACs at range (volley good for down to ~12km on approach), use drones on any that manage to reach orbit.

You are wasting your time. The dude never learned how to use weapons. All the comparisons of guns vs missiles are wasted on the dude. Let the dude switch to missiles, the dude will not see the messages that the guns missed, the dude will be happy. Learning tactics, devising strategies is way too much work for the dude.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#10 - 2013-03-16 23:11:57 UTC
So a scorpion navy issue with 170ks ehp isn't worth it and almost all resistances to 90%?Really confused and don't know what to do or train.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Haulie Berry
#11 - 2013-03-16 23:16:29 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
So a scorpion navy issue with 170ks ehp isn't worth it and almost all resistances to 90%?Really confused and don't know what to do or train.


Worth it for what?

It's not like you can tank missions to death.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-03-17 03:40:23 UTC
I could hit rats just fine with 1200s and without the TC. Besides, don't you have drones for frigs?
I fear switching weapons won't be the solution.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-17 04:15:57 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Yeah, so these cruise missiles are gonna take out these frigs that your ACs are missing?Lol

The EFT warriors who tell you that missiles have no tracking fail at EFT warrioring, as well as Eve.

Missiles are the worst tracking weapon system in Eve, as their tracking cannot be improved with increasing range. Hit frigs with ACs at range (volley good for down to ~12km on approach), use drones on any that manage to reach orbit.

You are wasting your time. The dude never learned how to use weapons. All the comparisons of guns vs missiles are wasted on the dude. Let the dude switch to missiles, the dude will not see the messages that the guns missed, the dude will be happy. Learning tactics, devising strategies is way too much work for the dude.




THE DUDE ABIDES!!!

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Orlacc
#14 - 2013-03-17 04:28:17 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
So a scorpion navy issue with 170ks ehp isn't worth it and almost all resistances to 90%?Really confused and don't know what to do or train.



Missions are about gank. Train gank skills.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-17 04:42:14 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
So a scorpion navy issue with 170ks ehp isn't worth it and almost all resistances to 90%?Really confused and don't know what to do or train.



Missions are about gank. Train gank skills.


Him getting less isk = less isk faucet = less inflation and more spending power for you. What's not to like?Big smile
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#16 - 2013-03-17 06:15:36 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Yeah, so these cruise missiles are gonna take out these frigs that your ACs are missing?Lol

The EFT warriors who tell you that missiles have no tracking fail at EFT warrioring, as well as Eve.

Missiles are the worst tracking weapon system in Eve, as their tracking cannot be improved with increasing range. Hit frigs with ACs at range (volley good for down to ~12km on approach), use drones on any that manage to reach orbit.


I liked it better when you just said "Winmatar wins Lol" and we didn't have to read through your posts...
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-17 18:07:56 UTC
Fireflyb1 wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Yeah, so these cruise missiles are gonna take out these frigs that your ACs are missing?Lol

The EFT warriors who tell you that missiles have no tracking fail at EFT warrioring, as well as Eve.

Missiles are the worst tracking weapon system in Eve, as their tracking cannot be improved with increasing range. Hit frigs with ACs at range (volley good for down to ~12km on approach), use drones on any that manage to reach orbit.


I liked it better when you just said "Winmatar wins Lol" and we didn't have to read through your posts...


That's actually "Winmatards Win."Big smile
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#18 - 2013-03-18 09:46:49 UTC

If i get it right , OP is having more a "Falloff way to go" other than a traking problem
Expecially a maelstrom Vs a machariel/vargur is going to lose a lot of its dps because of "short" falloff compared to other 2 ships, anyhow still a great "easy" ship, here you have 2 way to solve this problem:
1) fit 1200 arties ( lowering traking but huge optimal and insane falloff compared to autocannos can end in appling more dps on targets if you understand how to shot at rats )
2) move to a CNR-SNI and enter the easy boring game ( no 1-shoting things ever , just boring delayed excel dps )

Hula
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#19 - 2013-03-20 12:20:47 UTC
Guys cruise missiles are ready and I am training for scorpion or raven navies.I wonder if one of those could win a maelstrom in PVP and I am wasting my time training caldari skills.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-20 13:21:05 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Guys cruise missiles are ready and I am training for scorpion or raven navies.I wonder if one of those could win a maelstrom in PVP and I am wasting my time training caldari skills.


A little incoherent, but if I understand you right (which is not a given):

A pure-PVP-fit ship will get slaughtered in a dedicated PVP fight. I've learned that the hard way.

Maelstroms are commonly used in PVP; Ravens, not so much. You'll occasionally find a Scorpion Navy in a PVP fleet, and you'll often find standard Scorps, but missile ships have serious disadvantages in heavy fleet combat.

For PVE, missile combat does have factors in its favor, such as the elimination of falloff or poor weapon tracking as issues, and the ability to precisely tune your damage to the rats you're facing; also, cruise missile Ravens can do full damage at absurdly long ranges, and with the advent of the micro-jump drive, they can quickly stand off far enough to really take advantage of their engagement range.

There's a reason the Raven Navy Issue is a go-to mission boat, after all. Its bonuses are purely offensive, so it can weigh more towards gank on the tank/gank scale, and it doesn't require as much micromanaging as more exotic ships like the Machariel. The Scorpion Navy's tank bonuses make it a tough nut to crack, but your shields don't help you clear rats any more quickly. (People will use SNIs as mission boats if they're uncertain about their ability to stand up to hostile fire, which is a reasonable concern, but makes for less efficient mission running.)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

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