EVE General Discussion

So everyone that seems to like to point out the huge backlash after Incarna has to acknowledge that this was a result that after years of promise of awesome WiS coming soon (tm) we got one room and the only single player per room MMO in the 'verse. What we got was NOTHING like what we were promised. It was the I got you a pony and instead we got a steaming pile of pony droppings.

So now CCP says that four piles of pony droppings is in fact the Incarna we always were promised by CCP "now shut up and play with your ponies!"

Oh, and why this is all the Incarna you will ever get is because you have told us you hate ponies.

You also have to admit that since the forums changed threadnaughts are different. This is with out a doubt one of the most active threads "new forum".

I don't know why but for some reason old forum threads were bigger than new forums ones.

Issler

GTFO of MY EvE Online!!!!

Fix old content or bust. We want internet Spaceships in our internet spaceship game.....

If you want barbies online, go play 2nd life!

Go back to school and learn reading comprehension. Twisting my statements around in an attempt to justify your self-righteous attitude is fail troll.

Firstly - OP asked for only those who wanted WiS to please post in this thread. Doesn't matter what you think, any anti-WiS reply or negative personal attacks against those who post support for WiS could be considered, per Forum Rules, as flaming and trolling in an attempt to derail thread and cause Flame war. As per Forum rules, that alone could be used as reason for removal of said posted replies..

Secondly - My statement >'Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS.< I never posted against FiS. This thread isn't about adding new FiS game content but since you want to make my statement about it an issue, please enlighten me with a few of your ideas pertaining to new game content strictly for FiS.

Thirdly - Again you twist my statements around and portray them out of context. My statement > 'Everyone needs to accept the fact that in order for Eve Online to survive and grow it needs to change by expanding it's current game content.'< I'm not gonna list all the details/events or go into 'Theory Crafting' as to why, but when a company does internal restructuring and changes it's direction, shelves projects and does mass personnel lay-offs, it's hurting.

Lastly - If you indeed wanted to post support for WiS, you wouldn't have adopted a self-righteous attitude and twisted the context of my post into something completely different. Your statement > "CCP please don't abandon WIS, I understand you have financial issues and are trying to get your house in order, but please keep the door open on this development"< is hypocritical when compared to the other statements listed in this and your other posted replies.

P.S. Again you twist my statement around and portray it out of context. My statement >'Thanks to that this thread is turning into a thread-naught'< I never said it is a thread-naught. 'Turning into' and 'is' are 2 different things. Also comparing the new forums to the old forums is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Both are completely different entities.

Firstly, you fail at understanding forums
Secondly, you fail at understanding forums
Thirdly, you fail at understanding forums
Lastly, you fail at understanding forums

P.S. you fail at understanding forums

I too want WiS, for no logical reason, I just like the idea.

However, showing us a door and a laggy room is extremly frustrating, as everyone on the thread already said !

shows your bias against FiS cause YOU think theres no point in further developing it.
Thats why people react negatively to your argument. Thats not that hard to figure out


yes, its about not abandoning WiS. But given the people in this thread that ARE championing for WiS over FiS (there are some, ppl; that say "Other than fixing all the problems and finishing existing game content, there isn't that many options left available to add new game content to FiS." comes to mind on that) of course thats gonna come up.

I support the development of WIS concept. I have engaged with the OP in rationale discussion regarding the how and the when.

I have no respect for your posting. You are attempting to out shout every view you think may descent from yours - even those who fundamentally agree with you. Your logic is flawed, your understanding of the issues at hand is limited. Please stop posting as you are making those of us who see a future for WIS look like ******** wow players.

Actually, the feeling is mutual. Gotta say you're good at being manipulative and twisting statements around to suit your own warped version of the facts. What's really ironic is you condemning others for things you constantly do.

To use a quote made by you: You are theory crafting. You are theory crafting after telling others they are not allowed to theory craft.

How about you start practicing what you preach.



Nice try at trying to make me look like the bad guy while trolling me with a couple of your characters/alts. Personally I think you're intentionally trying to derail this thread by starting a flame war. You not only spam your biased opinions but you're also the loudest hypocrite posting in this thread.

Well, as long as we are trying to bend statistics to our viewpoint I might as well join the party.

1st post: "We want WiS" 88 likes around time of this post.
2nd post: "Abandon WiS" 29 likes around time of this post.
3rd post: "most people DO want walking in stations, just not the way it was implemented." 33 likes around the time of this post.
Make of this what you will.
Edit: I changed my mind, after reviewing this thread again, it is clear to me that a majority of those liking/posting on this thread want WiS in some form at some point in time.

Now, on to more significant stuff, as this thread is mostly off-topic anyway:

QFT
On a side note, I strongly oppose the view that WiS is just a WoD beta.

Yes, and wether that reason is that people are against WiS is an oversimplification in my opinion. People would have hated Apocrypha if CCP took the same strategy as they did with WiS, which would amount to "you have your wormholes, you just can't enter them." I was also one of the people posting in the threadnaughts of last summer. Personally I think the opposition to WiS is mostly because it is associated with "no FiS" and all the accumulated frustration, and because people are thinking CQ = WiS.
I may have gotten 2 years of non-stop attention, but I got nearly nothing of what was promised, on top of that I am also affected by the rest of EVE not getting the attention it should get. I wouldn't care much if they ripped out CQ at this point. At this moment it just reminds me of something I will not get, and might never get.

Side note: I remember a graphical representation of Incarna's workload. ~1/4 was the new character creator, ~1/2 was CQ, and ~1/4 is WiS. If this is still true, than WiS could be part of an expansion that still contains a lot of FiS content. It is kind of a waste to have all that time invested without getting anything meaningful in return. If WiS is cancelled, it's all this suffering for nothing. Would you rather have payed the price of no FiS development for something or for nothing?
It might be the slow response of a corporate entity, but it is indeed starting to look like a "won't touch this with a 10 AU pole" kind of thing (this approach also goes for the CSM). That looks like they are influenced by fear (ironic, considering their newsletter's name is "Fearless"). I don't think that's a good thing.
Also, the CSM is quite clear that they are not interested in even asking for a devblog about Incarna's future, or lack of future, which is also disappointing and may add to Hilmar's concern also mentioned in that interview:

This is how these things are, as the story goes on...