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Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#21 - 2011-10-29 03:06:27 UTC
BoneEater wrote:
Mystical Might wrote:


On Topic; I have a question. Do we count EVERYONES vote, or do we count the active militia people (considering maybe 2% of the listed militia numbers are actually active PvPers, and aren't just carebear scrubs / inactive players).


Could do corp ceo's director's based on killboard standings vs enemy factions within say, 3> months?



You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep?
BoneEater
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-10-29 03:09:22 UTC
Mystical Might wrote:


You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep?


Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions?
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#23 - 2011-10-29 03:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mystical Might
BoneEater wrote:
Mystical Might wrote:


You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep?


Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions?




In my eyes, it should be Independant factions with representatives for each, that are able to sit around the E-Table and share ideas...

If you were to elect them as a community, you'd end up with the militia with the most voting power having their guys as the representatives.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-10-29 03:14:53 UTC
That's true in fact. That's why I think we should all push for one candidate that we all could trust on. He'd bring forth issues that bog down Factional Warfare as a whole and follow a list of individual problems of every militia to tackle on.

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BoneEater
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-29 03:15:56 UTC
Mystical Might wrote:
BoneEater wrote:
Mystical Might wrote:


You mean CEO's of the top 10 corps of each militia vote for a rep?


Top 10, top 5, doesnt really matter, but based on their actual pvp versus other militias rather then simple #'s due to the missionier swarms present in some of the militias. Or as posted previously, all 4 elect a single and alternate to represent the FW community as a whole rather then as independent factions?




In my eyes, it should be Independant factions with representatives for each, that are able to sit around the E-Table and share ideas...

If you were to elect them as a community, you'd end up with the militia with the most voting power having their guys as the representatives.



True, so elect one from each, and then they internally decide a *chairman* in adition to the alternate canidates for each faction bringing the total rep's to 8 with 2 for each faction.

Possibly add an external position for indepent looks at idea's from an outsider's perspective? IE: if a happens, how does that affect recruiting into FW. if b happens, what happens instead?

dunno how you'd regulate that so its probably not going to work.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#26 - 2011-10-29 03:16:39 UTC
Yarr, just making it a new post.


Could also make it so that there are 10 possible candidates, maybe from people who think they have a chance and are vocal enough to voice a faction's ideas, views and thoughts. From there you could have a week or two of open voting, maybe through the militia office (It isn't actually used for anything at the moment ANYWAY) and after that period the person with the most votes is elected.

To put the Militia office to more use, General militia could lobby ideas for the representatives to look at through a drop-box like option in the office window. This allows the reps to easily see the worries and queries that the militias they represent may have...

Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic?
Vardec Crom
Close Encounters of the EVE Kind
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-29 03:18:34 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
The CSM is well represented by the major null sec alliances but the militias have no one to represent them in the CSM whatsoever. I propose each militia is represented by a respective chosen member, so that all 4 sides are heard equally. I know this will likely this will never happen because we're rock bottom to CCP as we are a hot potato to designers. However, even if it meant we had our own meetings to express community concerns and ideas. You don't have to fly people to Iceland and pamper us really. Some kind of video conference would be enough.

I was hearing some dev ideas to 'fix FW' but they aren't very good and are out of touch with the present If you want to get to truly fix FW you'll have to get help from us FW'ers to actually get anywhere.


So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#28 - 2011-10-29 03:20:15 UTC
Vardec Crom wrote:


So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~



We're not talking about the CSM...
Edit; as far as I am aware anyway.
BoneEater
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-29 03:21:38 UTC
Mystical Might wrote:
Yarr, just making it a new post.

Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic?


Without a clear cut way to establish a] missioners from pvpers, b] 0.0 alts/mains, c] god awful griefers and trolls/honest oppinions, this wont get very far. I think this is the main set of reasons CCP doesnt use their in game poll's more often. If they did, they would be swamped by trolls who would select the worst possible thing for the game, just to troll up that subject's #'s
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#30 - 2011-10-29 03:23:15 UTC
BoneEater wrote:
Mystical Might wrote:
Yarr, just making it a new post.

Could also maybe let the reps start a Poll through the milita office to see how the militia feels about a certain topic?


Without a clear cut way to establish a] missioners from pvpers, b] 0.0 alts/mains, c] god awful griefers and trolls/honest oppinions, this wont get very far. I think this is the main set of reasons CCP doesnt use their in game poll's more often. If they did, they would be swamped by trolls who would select the worst possible thing for the game, just to troll up that subject's #'s



lol, I'm one of the biggest trolls in militia...
But I see your point, it could potentially be abused.
But I also think that the militia's worries as a whole would outway the trolling opportunity.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-29 03:23:32 UTC
Vardec Crom wrote:
So what you're saying is that a group of people that make up probably less than 1% of active subscribers should get half of the CSM seats by default? Delusional~


First, not I'm making demands. This a discussion. Secondly, you haven't really bothered to read anything have you?

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Pent'nor
#32 - 2011-10-29 03:26:38 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously.

4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated.

Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community.


For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM.


I agree. But would like to see some sort of pre-election from different aspects of eve so when the big election comes, people can rally behind one instead of splitting the votes and then none of them get in.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-10-29 03:38:44 UTC
Pent'nor wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Each militia would vote for their representative. Plus other small details that would have to be agreed on obviously.

4 militias and 4 representatives. Nothing complicated.

Edit: I don't mean that the we need to be forced into the CSM I meant that the militias could use a similar and simpler means to communicate with CCP so that we can relay our own particular issues in the FW community.


For that to work you need to rally people to vote for FW representatives for the next CSM.


I agree. But would like to see some sort of pre-election from different aspects of eve so when the big election comes, people can rally behind one instead of splitting the votes and then none of them get in.


Good idea.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
mkint
#34 - 2011-10-29 06:37:46 UTC
I don't get why CCP hates FW so much. But really, there's no way in hell CCP will let a FW rep sit on the CSM. FW is embarrassing enough to them already. Also, after how big an embarrassment the current CSM is, I'm betting the next one comes pre-nerfed.

That said, if I see a candidate put forth by a united FW community, I will not only vote for them, but resub my alts for the vote.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#35 - 2011-10-29 13:01:04 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
New proposition:

Re-organize the CSM to have a designated member for each topic, null, low, high sec, WHs, FW, PVE, PVP, Industry, Market

And how, pray tell, would you enforce that? How would you split voters among those "circunscriptions"?

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#36 - 2011-10-29 13:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Yogsoloth
Quote:
@Mekhana, rather than getting representatives chosen to speak to CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare.


This needs to happen asap, I think it would really highlight how vibrant the FW community is. Such a simple task that could be implemented in about 30 seconds. Just cut through the red tape and get it done already.

Cthulhu Fhtagn !
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-10-29 13:32:02 UTC
I'd love to come play in FW, however I'm not going to while it makes the enemy faction go down....
I don't want to go below -5 vs Amarr as its a HUGE pain in the arse when I want to move my freighter through Amarr space!
So either I have to make a dedicated FW toon (Not many want to start from 0 skills again) or go to low-sec or null, or spend billions to get a character of the character bazaar which is WAY too high an entry level for many.

-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more) 
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2011-10-29 13:46:04 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
New proposition:

Re-organize the CSM to have a designated member for each topic, null, low, high sec, WHs, FW, PVE, PVP, Industry, Market


Still not a fix since FW alts, Industry alts, and various alts of the major voting blocs will be represented.

Populism has its downsides - and this is one of them. Being that the idea comes from a place with no minorities - who can blame them.
Kent Reeves
#39 - 2011-10-29 15:09:35 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
Quote:
@Mekhana, rather than getting representatives chosen to speak to CCP how about a forum section dedicated to Factional Warfare.
Such a simple task that could be implemented in about 30 seconds.

My thoughts exactly. This isn't some major change that takes months to implement nor does it take huge amounts of effort and manpower.

CCP, think about this one.
Raid'En
#40 - 2011-10-29 17:51:50 UTC
i though they would review the forums section when the putted the new forums but well...
they really need to to that.

are the sections from 2003 ? cause they seems really outdated givne how the game works now :/
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