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New launcher going to Torrents ? no thanks !

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#41 - 2013-03-16 11:46:25 UTC
xanderh wrote:
The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.



just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right Roll
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-03-16 11:46:37 UTC
Stray Bullets wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.


Actually they aren't mate. They are included in the subscription payment model, thus, not free.


So 10 years ago ccp calculated the lifetime of eve and the number of expansion that would be released, and based the subscription price and the result...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Sarmatiko
#43 - 2013-03-16 11:46:42 UTC
laser babe wrote:
what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?

You have two options here:
1. Change your ISP to normal. Why you pay money for incomplete and bad service?
2. Read dev responses to devblog, and you will find out that you will still have option to download patches without BT.
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#44 - 2013-03-16 11:48:07 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xanderh wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)


Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.


i guess you didn't because

"it is part of the BitTorrent protocol that every participant in the distribution network gives and receives data, and this is something we cannot really change. However, there are ways to limit this, and by default the new EVE Launcher will only MAKE you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading"


I know how some clients work. I've stopped me uploading before by setting the upload to the lowest, which was something like 5 kb/s. If you can't spare 5 kb/s during the download, you need a new connection. And, by default, you don't upload anything unless you're downloading a patch.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#45 - 2013-03-16 11:48:32 UTC
dexington wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not.


He has an option, stop playing the game... It's CCP's product, they decide the design, you decide if you want to use it.



lol thank you for that advice, but no thanks, i'll keep playing, you keep trolling Blink
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-03-16 11:48:57 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xanderh wrote:
The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.



just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right Roll


That was the worst comparison I've ever seen anyone try to make. You pay for electricity by the kilowatt & your monthly payment will fluctuate depending on what you use. EVE remains the same price from month to month.

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Dizirgee
UnaLaLuna Inc.
#47 - 2013-03-16 11:50:26 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Although you guys at CCP do a brilliant job (most of the time) i suspect this change you are talking about with the new EVE launcher is going to be a mistake.


I read most of what you write (though not whole post as its just bullshit) and I think you are just nasty leecher!
Get a clue what torrents are and stop complaining about nothing OK?

Many games already switched to torrent stuff and it helps people to get data faster and allow to lower bandwidth cost for CCP which both are benefit for us.

So no they wont be paying you because you are uploading game data. Less they pay for bandwidth more they can put into development right?

Bottom line can I have your stuff please?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#48 - 2013-03-16 11:50:35 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xanderh wrote:
The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.



just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right Roll


That was the worst comparison I've ever seen anyone try to make. You pay for electricity by the kilowatt & your monthly payment will fluctuate depending on what you use. EVE remains the same price from month to month.



oh so you do understand how being charged for something works. so em,,, why you playing stupid ?
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-03-16 11:51:04 UTC
dexington wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not.


He has an option, stop playing the game... It's CCP's product, they decide the design, you decide if you want to use it.


You seem to have this confused in some way. CCP wants to sell a service (the ability to use the game). For that, we need a client to connect to said service. For that, they need to distribute that client. It's in their interest that I have the client, not mine :)

I can, and will if it becomes a problem, limit the upload rate for anything running on my own network. So this, for me, is a non-issue, like I said in the first post I made.

What I don't accept is something being forced into my network so that I may pay to use some other service! :) It's rather silly that I have to do the publishers work and still have to pay for the product I'm distributing :)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-03-16 11:51:44 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.



they are not free,, ffs you pay a sub this sub pays the wages for the devs doing the expansions, it's not free. CCP choose not to charge extra.


You pay for 30 days game time. Once you pay that money to CCP it's no longer your money because you got what you paid for, 30 days game time. I've never had to actually pay for an expansion or patch, but please feel free to link me the part that states we do in the TOS.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#51 - 2013-03-16 11:51:50 UTC
Dizirgee wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Although you guys at CCP do a brilliant job (most of the time) i suspect this change you are talking about with the new EVE launcher is going to be a mistake.


I read most of what you write (though not whole post as its just bullshit) and I think you are just nasty leecher!
Get a clue what torrents are and stop complaining about nothing OK?

Many games already switched to torrent stuff and it helps people to get data faster and allow to lower bandwidth cost for CCP which both are benefit for us.

So no they wont be paying you because you are uploading game data. Less they pay for bandwidth more they can put into development right?

Bottom line can I have your stuff please?



you can have my stuff when you take it from my cold dead wreck.
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#52 - 2013-03-16 11:52:04 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
xanderh wrote:
The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.



just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right Roll


The electricity my own computer uses? no. The electricity used by the CCP servers? For me, yeah. I go to a business college, and yes, you do calculate electricity into the price, but not directly based upon how many people are buying your products. You do it the other way around.
laser babe
You name it - we build it
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2013-03-16 11:52:10 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
laser babe wrote:
what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?

You have two options here:
1. Change your ISP to normal. Why you pay money for incomplete and bad service?
2. Read dev responses to devblog, and you will find out that you will still have option to download patches without BT.



the point (2) make more sense then point (1)

there are plenty of people using wireless providers with blocked torrent (any of torrent) protocol or the torrent protocol is shaped to almost 0b/s .

If people may still use the HTTP protocol then I don't see a problem
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#54 - 2013-03-16 11:53:17 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.



they are not free,, ffs you pay a sub this sub pays the wages for the devs doing the expansions, it's not free. CCP choose not to charge extra.


You pay for 30 days game time. Once you pay that money to CCP it's no longer your money because you got what you paid for, 30 days game time. I've never had to actually pay for an expansion or patch, but please feel free to link me the part that states we do in the TOS.



you've made the choice to live with the illussion that CCP don't pay their devs to work, that's not my problem, that's yours.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-03-16 11:53:37 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
why you playing stupid ?


Says the guy playing hissyfit semantic games because someone dared mention that Eve doesn't charge for its expansions unlike literally every other MMO in the world that has expansions.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#56 - 2013-03-16 11:54:29 UTC
If EVE expansions aren't 'free', what are WoW expansions? Double paid for?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-03-16 11:56:10 UTC
Stray Bullets wrote:
I can, and will if it becomes a problem, limit the upload rate for anything running on my own network. So this, for me, is a non-issue, like I said in the first post I made.


why use firewall rules to control the bandwidth usage, when it's so much more fun to whine on the forum about a feature which we have not even had the chance to test.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-03-16 11:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
you've made the choice to live with the illussion that CCP don't pay their devs to work, that's not my problem, that's yours.


At what point did I say that? This might be a complete surprise to you, but making stuff up doesn't give your argument anymore weight than a rant post about a non-issue would. Refer to the OP for an example.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#59 - 2013-03-16 12:03:37 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
why you playing stupid ?


Says the guy playing hissyfit semantic games because someone dared mention that Eve doesn't charge for its expansions unlike literally every other MMO in the world that has expansions.


this thread is about torrents vs html downloads and what it means if they go with torrents.
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#60 - 2013-03-16 12:04:10 UTC
My only problem with torrent distrobution is, now I have to create a ruleset on the company firewall to bypass the other ruleset to block P2P torrent traffic and allow me to update my workstation.

*sigh*