These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

New launcher going to Torrents ? no thanks !

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-03-16 11:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ifly Uwalk
Thread is bad and OP should feel bad.

Edit: Sssssnipahhhh - guess this thread was good for something after all. vOv
flakeys
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-03-16 11:29:03 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot.


wow has 9.6 million subs source

eve has 361.000 source

9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds


9.6 million dowloads vs 3k downloads ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#23 - 2013-03-16 11:34:07 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
I don't get it ... everyone I know on patch day (well, before the launcher anyway) would head over to eve-files, grab Chribba's torrent link, and download the client that way. Been away for a while so "patchday" for me has been days/weeks after everyone else (just training 30d skills and all), so I haven't really noticed whether the launcher is slow or unstable with the download.

However, with the assumption that I'm gonna be back solidly now, and fighting every last one of you for the new client on patch day ... a bittorrent style download will be awesome (esp since it'll help my spacebros get into the game faster too).

PS -- I'm jealous of anyone outside the US who has awesome connections ... I only have 30/5 Cry



I agree a bittorrent style download might be a good idea but only if CCP are doing 90% of the seeding. it' sunrealistic to expect 300k hell lets half that because we all know half it not more of them are alts.
so 150k seeds that will stop seeding after the first day is fail.
if CCP seeds it then no worries.

i have no problem seeding torrents that are free, seeding a product i pay for,, NO thanks.
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#24 - 2013-03-16 11:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: xanderh
Why is this such a big deal for you? You already quoted them saying that the upload will be disabled by default, and that the upload when downloading will be set low enough that you won't notice it.

It's not a big deal unless you're on a limited data plan, and if you are, you should probably switch to an unlimited one anyway, so you don't have to think about this stuff.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure that CCP will seed their own download, if they didn't it would be completely impossible to download it, because there isn't an original seeder to upload it to people.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#25 - 2013-03-16 11:36:55 UTC
flakeys wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot.


wow has 9.6 million subs source

eve has 361.000 source

9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds


9.6 million dowloads vs 3k downloads ....



typo fixed
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-16 11:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Stray Bullets
Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-16 11:37:18 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#28 - 2013-03-16 11:38:58 UTC
Stray Bullets wrote:
Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)


Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#29 - 2013-03-16 11:40:39 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.



they are not free,, ffs you pay a sub this sub pays the wages for the devs doing the expansions, it's not free. CCP choose not to charge extra.
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-03-16 11:41:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.


They are actually.


Actually they aren't mate. They are included in the subscription payment model, thus, not free.
laser babe
You name it - we build it
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-03-16 11:41:17 UTC
what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-16 11:41:19 UTC
xanderh wrote:
It's not a big deal unless you're on a limited data plan, and if you are, you should probably switch to an unlimited one anyway, so you don't have to think about this stuff..


Not to defend the op, but unlimited plans aren't available enough to be assumed. I know when I lived in Canada it was pretty much impossible to get an actual unlimited plan unless you lived in certain geographical areas (and even then I think they're not available anymore).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-16 11:41:48 UTC
Stray Bullets wrote:
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not.


He has an option, stop playing the game... It's CCP's product, they decide the design, you decide if you want to use it.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#34 - 2013-03-16 11:42:23 UTC
So your mad about an optional feature?

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#35 - 2013-03-16 11:42:23 UTC
xanderh wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)


Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.


i guess you didn't because

"it is part of the BitTorrent protocol that every participant in the distribution network gives and receives data, and this is something we cannot really change. However, there are ways to limit this, and by default the new EVE Launcher will only MAKE you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading"
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#36 - 2013-03-16 11:42:49 UTC
The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.
Apollo A
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-03-16 11:43:57 UTC
only free for people that can pay for eve using isk, which isnt hard
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-03-16 11:44:45 UTC
IMHO, the OP is being utterly silly.. so CCP is going to use a little bit of your upload to help get the rest of their subs their updates, big deal.. I guess you like greed being good...

I have totally no problems with the new protocol, it's a great step forward, as it will allow them for a better, more stable spread of updates to their subscribers, instead of overloading their servers every time there's a major patch or release.

You won't notice the bandwidth use of the update system, that's why there's setting for that, and if you have a good connection ( 10MB up isn't that good, but not bad either ), you will be able to help spread the love of a new update faster so more people will be able to enjoy Eve.
It won't affect you, financially, or otherwise.. so why on earth would you complain about it?
Other than being a scrooge.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-03-16 11:45:02 UTC
xanderh wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)


Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.


My good sir, you really need to learn how to read! (and I do mean the dev blog you pointed me to!)

DevBlog wrote:
However, there are ways to limit this, and by default the new EVE Launcher will only make you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading; once your download is complete you will not be distributing it to others, unless you explicitly enable this in the options


By default, you will be uploading while you're downloading a patch. Period!

What I said was this should be OFF by default, so anyone not wanting to use the BT model can opt out of it as it uses up the customer bandwidth.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#40 - 2013-03-16 11:45:05 UTC
laser babe wrote:
what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?



it won't work, good point.