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Where does ISK come from? Where does it go out?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#21 - 2013-03-15 22:12:34 UTC
Blecktalk Morwoop wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:

out:
-PLEX/GTC´s



You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it.


Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily.

We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex.



I guess you /could/ take that as being plex. But it's an indirect method. It's really use the fees and taxes already mentioned.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Caerfinon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-16 00:47:15 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:

what does he do after he goes to Jita 4-4?


Sadly ISK spends his entire time changing orders by 1/100th of himself every few minutes....

Cheers C.

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Lux Imperator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-16 01:36:16 UTC
I guess the best ISK sink is PvP.

Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up.
It is true, stupidity has no boundaries .
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#24 - 2013-03-16 01:40:49 UTC
Lux Imperator wrote:
I guess the best ISK sink is PvP.

Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up.
It is true, stupidity has no boundaries .



Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Carth Solette
Astroco
Straight Jacket Bears
#25 - 2013-03-16 11:05:40 UTC
Thanks guys.
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#26 - 2013-03-16 12:46:19 UTC
Lux Imperator wrote:
I guess the best ISK sink is PvP.

Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up.
It is true, stupidity has no boundaries .
Not only is PvP not an ISK sink, it actually drives an ISK source: insurance payouts. PvP causes material to be destroyed (directly) and ISK to be created (indirectly via insurance).

Steve Ronuken wrote:
Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens.
Not sure why Steve said "unfortunately" though...

MDD
GreenSeed
#27 - 2013-03-16 14:56:58 UTC
i think is very clear where does it come from, whats more interesting is where does it go.


i guess the number one sink must be SOV bills (all of SOV claimed), second sink must be corporate offices, and a far third sales tax, with NPC corp tax as fourth.

my point is that the biggest sinks are on organizations rather than on individuals, if there's so much inflation the best way to fight it would be taxing individuals more. and by inflation lets not draw parallels to irl inflation... unlike on eve in real life currency doesn't grow in trees.

now, raising sales tax is a bad idea, or at least one that will **** off far more people than another hike on NPC tax...

shall we now turn this into yet another "nerf highsec" thread?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#28 - 2013-03-16 17:37:19 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:

Steve Ronuken wrote:
Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens.
Not sure why Steve said "unfortunately" though...
MDD



Isk sinks are good, they make remaining isk worth more.

Material sinks are bad, they make remaining materials worth more (and isk worth less)

Smile

I also don't like telling people they're wrong. I'll do it, but I don't /like/ doing it.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#29 - 2013-03-16 17:40:28 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
i think is very clear where does it come from, whats more interesting is where does it go.


i guess the number one sink must be SOV bills (all of SOV claimed), second sink must be corporate offices, and a far third sales tax, with NPC corp tax as fourth.

my point is that the biggest sinks are on organizations rather than on individuals, if there's so much inflation the best way to fight it would be taxing individuals more. and by inflation lets not draw parallels to irl inflation... unlike on eve in real life currency doesn't grow in trees.

now, raising sales tax is a bad idea, or at least one that will **** off far more people than another hike on NPC tax...

shall we now turn this into yet another "nerf highsec" thread?



While it's out of date:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf

suggests skill books are one of the largest sinks in the game.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#30 - 2013-03-16 21:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Carth Solette wrote:
How does ISK enter the game/economy.



There are 2 theoriesgoing around now:
1) A stork brings it to mommies & daddies after 9 months of waiting
2) When daddy loves mommy he gets this twinkle in hiseye after a fifth of Jack Daniels & puts his yahoo into mommies hoooha & 9 months later a bouncing babyISKie pops out Lol

OK kidding aside use google & search for ISK faucets:
here is a good link of both faucets & sinks: Its the Economy stupid
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-03-16 22:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Blecktalk Morwoop wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:

out:
-PLEX/GTC´s



You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it.


Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily.

We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex.


Think about what you are typing, because it is making you look ********.

Plex are not an isk sink in the slightest. If a plex is destroyed, no isk is lost. If a plex is created, no isk is lost. Plex are not purchased from an NPC, so no isk is lost. Plex are not sold to npcs, so no isk is created.

MARKET TRANSACTION TAX is the sink. Holy crap dude.


Edit, apparently returded, spelled properly, is a bad word, and we shouldn't be saying things that will make mentally handicapped people feel like they aren't special snowflakes.
Benjamin Arthie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-03-16 23:26:33 UTC
Isk comes out of grendel's assholes and enters VV's

I'm not a low-sec roamer, i just need to blow off some steam every now and then.
Mark Rain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-17 13:21:26 UTC
CCP is the Federal Reserve and the players are the government....got it now? LOL
Vargan Armer
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-03-17 14:47:44 UTC
When two isks love each other very much...
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-03-17 16:34:58 UTC
ISK comes from a magical land called "NULLSEC", where no-one ever grows old and the people are always happy, and dancing , and friendly to strangers. Really, really. Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Zyshh
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-03-17 16:43:23 UTC
I think Uncle Chribba has a printing press out back... amazing what you can do with those old "Quafe" coupons they hand out by the barge-load in the Gallente slums. Cool
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#37 - 2013-03-18 20:14:04 UTC
I find isk makes a very nice bonfire. the high tech ink creates very unusual colors when it burns. looks like a rainbow...
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#38 - 2013-03-18 20:49:05 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I find isk makes a very nice bonfire. the high tech ink creates very unusual colors when it burns. looks like a rainbow...


I just wanted to let you know, during your tour of Grison Interstellar our records indicate that you visited one of our breakrooms.

The sugar cubes on the left aren't just sugar.

yes
Lord Lorin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-03-19 12:18:55 UTC
I think Planentary interactions is also a big ISK sink. Some of it could be counted as tax.

1. When you use NPC custom office in high sec the tax is 10% for export
2. When you build a new Planentary station it will eat like 5 - 20m ISK depending on your skills and the PI setup


Tax in gerneral will be one of the biggest isk sinks in eve.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#40 - 2013-03-19 15:30:58 UTC
Lord Lorin wrote:
I think Planentary interactions is also a big ISK sink. Some of it could be counted as tax.

1. When you use NPC custom office in high sec the tax is 10% for export
2. When you build a new Planentary station it will eat like 5 - 20m ISK depending on your skills and the PI setup


Tax in gerneral will be one of the biggest isk sinks in eve.


They need a srs ammount of money for jump gate fuel.

yes
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