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So who will get the Spaceships? : Another Brainfart

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#1 - 2013-03-15 11:28:43 UTC
Heres a thought thats been running through my head since I watched Stargate, which branch of the militaries would get the Spaceships, or would a new branch be made?

The instinctive response I get is that the Navy would get them as a subfleet, in the UK we have 2 fleets, the Surface and the Submarine, so a third fleet of Space could happen. However, the Navies of the world operate on a 2d plane, and 3d tactics would require a completely different school of tactics.

This brings in the Air forces, which to the best of my knowledge already operate spacebourne assets of various militaries and operate in air. Navies operate an air force in Naval air arms in several countries, and the second biggest air force on the planet is the US Naval Air arm, so these are branches that operate in both 2d and 3d mediums. I lean more towards Space forces being an expansion of Naval branches, but its also possible it would be an expansion of Aerospace... although spacefighters are inherently silly given out current technology.

About the only thing that is obvious is that the Army would have nothing to do with it, or the Marines/Coastguard if they are counted as separate from the Navy.

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Dontlookatme TheGingers
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-15 12:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dontlookatme TheGingers
Kirjava wrote:
Heres a thought thats been running through my head since I watched Stargate, which branch of the militaries would get the Spaceships, or would a new branch be made?

The instinctive response I get is that the Navy would get them as a subfleet, in the UK we have 2 fleets, the Surface and the Submarine, so a third fleet of Space could happen. However, the Navies of the world operate on a 2d plane, and 3d tactics would require a completely different school of tactics.

This brings in the Air forces, which to the best of my knowledge already operate spacebourne assets of various militaries and operate in air. Navies operate an air force in Naval air arms in several countries, and the second biggest air force on the planet is the US Naval Air arm, so these are branches that operate in both 2d and 3d mediums. I lean more towards Space forces being an expansion of Naval branches, but its also possible it would be an expansion of Aerospace... although spacefighters are inherently silly given out current technology.

About the only thing that is obvious is that the Army would have nothing to do with it, or the Marines/Coastguard if they are counted as separate from the Navy.



To derail the thread before it has even begun. I hope mankind is stuck here on earth until we show we can be responsible. Otherwise we will be the parasitic creatures coming out from the spaceships in Independence day. Exhausting planet after planet of natural ressources with no regard to what ever life there might be there.

Edit. Nevermind that was the plot of Avatar.

Have a good day.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-03-15 17:25:51 UTC
Why...why did you bring up Stargate...

Im still upset...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#4 - 2013-03-15 17:32:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Why...why did you bring up Stargate...

Im still upset...

Because it was a point of annoyance at the Pentagon that the Airforce had all the Spaceships Oops
In one of the books..... which may or may not be canon....

Whats wrong with Stargate? It was friggin awesome.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#5 - 2013-03-15 18:07:32 UTC
Dontlookatme TheGingers wrote:
Have a good day.


i'll do that.

especially after seeing your avatar. Lol terrific. lol
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#6 - 2013-03-15 18:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
In the U.S., it would have to be the Air Force. They do all the experimental edge-of-space aircraft stuff (with some NASA involvement). So it stands to reason that they'd be the ones to develop the spacefleet and be in charge of it.

But-- the U.S. Navy could get jealous and independently ask for contractor bids for a spacecraft of their own. The Navy seems to be good at politics stuff like that. That's how the U.S. ended up with the USN's F/A-18 and the USAF's F-15 and F-16 in development, all at the same time.

Of course the USAF and USN programs would have to proceed along with completely different development theories as to propulsion, refueling systems, etc. And no parts or components can be interchangeable. That just how it is and has to be.

So the end result is there'd be two fleets, one Air Force and one Navy, maybe doing the same role, but with different outer space turf territory. The Marine Corp might have space bases to man and some short-range spacecraft. Old outdated stuff handed down from the Navy, of course. Smile
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2013-03-15 18:18:20 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Why...why did you bring up Stargate...

Im still upset...

Because it was a point of annoyance at the Pentagon that the Airforce had all the Spaceships Oops
In one of the books..... which may or may not be canon....

Whats wrong with Stargate? It was friggin awesome.


Nothing wrong with Stargate at all...

Upset due to cancellation of SGU and scrapping of all Stargate movies.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#8 - 2013-03-15 18:22:19 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

About the only thing that is obvious is that the Army would have nothing to do with it, or the Marines/Coastguard if they are counted as separate from the Navy.



Why's that?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#9 - 2013-03-15 18:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

About the only thing that is obvious is that the Army would have nothing to do with it, or the Marines/Coastguard if they are counted as separate from the Navy.



Why's that?

Neither service is orientated towards cobmat that ins't either littoral or ground based, the army is locked into terrain and has some aircraft to airlift/drop in troops but beyond that its beyond their remit. Technically speaking (as I understand in the UK) nothing stops the Army from commissioning Ships but for the fact it is outside their specialty, if they needed them they would already find the Navy taking care of it. There's a long standing dispute between the RAF and the RN Air Arm as the RAF wanted to take the carriers under their jurisdiction, but then the Navy wanted all non land based vehicles. Don't know if this ever happened in the US though, running this from memory.

EDIT I also forgot that the US Marine Corps is a separate service as opposed to being the infantry arm of the Navy, sorry about that Surfin Oops

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#10 - 2013-03-15 18:57:04 UTC
Navy has SEALs, Marines, and corpsmen, and Marines are stationed on Carriers (my friend was on the ship that was hauling that American soldier back who threw a grenade in the officers tent). They also fly their own aircraft so there really isn't much that they can't do.

If you recall in Stargate, SG-1 was a all Air Force group if you exclude the civilian contractor and the alien, but SG groups 6-10 were marines, and they were stationed on the Prometheus and Daedalus as well.

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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#11 - 2013-03-15 20:02:53 UTC
No government agency would make a space ship because it would not be worth t in the long run. the hole reason we put a man on the moon was to beat the Russians to it. if you want to figure who would make the first space ship just look at who's currently using space at the moment. Advanced international Telecommunications, weather sats, mobil phone communications, 3G, 4G, TV signals. in other words the privatised sector. ok the military has laser sats to shoot down other sats and missiles in their starwars program and may have put up there some of what we currently use.
But i tell you that the first space ship will be R&Ded, built, launched and operated by a tour group company with lots of funding. With the goal of selling round trip to alpha centuri
Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2013-03-15 20:42:13 UTC
The Marines will grab it while the Navy and Airforce are squabbling... Pirate
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#13 - 2013-03-15 21:32:56 UTC
Maxious wrote:
No government agency would make a space ship because it would not be worth t in the long run. the hole reason we put a man on the moon was to beat the Russians to it. if you want to figure who would make the first space ship just look at who's currently using space at the moment. Advanced international Telecommunications, weather sats, mobil phone communications, 3G, 4G, TV signals. in other words the privatised sector. ok the military has laser sats to shoot down other sats and missiles in their starwars program and may have put up there some of what we currently use.
But i tell you that the first space ship will be R&Ded, built, launched and operated by a tour group company with lots of funding. With the goal of selling round trip to alpha centuri

You misunderstand, I was wondering which Branch of National governments would get the Spaceships for themselves.
Also next spaceships to be built will be mining asteroids. The second will be built to say "oh no you don't" and third to say "actualy...". Thats pretty much how Europeans competed to claim the planet back in the day anyway.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#14 - 2013-03-15 21:38:28 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

About the only thing that is obvious is that the Army would have nothing to do with it, or the Marines/Coastguard if they are counted as separate from the Navy.



Why's that?

That's true. The U.S. Coast Guard will get stuck with the job of rescuing capsized private spacecraft and stranded space tourists like Richard Branson.
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2013-03-15 21:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Attention members of the Press the NASA director would like to make a statement.

---

Citizens of these United States, you may know us as the people who put a man on the moon, built that space station, brought untold scientific advances and have a real cool telescope. We have done all this on a shoe string budget while the armed forces after 1960 has gorged themselves on wars in countries that let's face it, none of you care about... like at all, ever.

We have have quietly waited for the enlightenment to come, for you to demand that your Government put money where it will do the most good and time and time again it has gone to Aircraft Carriers and over budget Stealth Fighters. There has been an enlightenment here and it began with us. The Mountain does not go to Mohammad.

For the last five years while the other branches of your Military have been squabbling about which one of those dinosaurs would get to dominate space we as the only goddamn people who know what we are doing since it is kind of our thing have putting guns on all our satellites and probes.

NASA now has more explosions then Micheal Bays career that means you drooling simpletons that we are now more important, or at least you think so now which is all that matters. Give us money so we can build Warships and conquer Mars you morons.

--- One Day Later ---

In other News NASA's Funding jumped 500% this weekend with a unanimous vote in Congress.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-15 22:08:20 UTC
Wait, who runs the air carriers? Do the air force and the navy work together on air carriers or is it just the navy with navy pilots...

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Alara IonStorm
#17 - 2013-03-15 22:14:29 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Wait, who runs the air carriers? Do the air force and the navy work together on air carriers or is it just the navy with navy pilots...

Navy with Navy Pilots though the Marine Corp operates its own Aircraft off Navy Assault Ships.

Navy Carrier with Navy Aircraft
Navy Assault Ship with Marine Aircraft.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#18 - 2013-03-15 22:59:29 UTC
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Wait, who runs the air carriers? Do the air force and the navy work together on air carriers or is it just the navy with navy pilots...

Which country are you refering to? In the UK we have the RN Air Arm which is part of the Navy command structure, as is the Royal Marines.

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Slymah
DorpCorp
#19 - 2013-03-16 03:44:49 UTC
SGU was freaking awesome!



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Vagizzle Schrimshank
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-17 13:17:43 UTC
Kirjava wrote:


The instinctive response I get is that the Navy would get them as a subfleet, in the UK we have 2 fleets, the Surface and the Submarine, so a third fleet of Space could happen. However, the Navies of the world operate on a 2d plane, and 3d tactics would require a completely different school of tactics.


We also have a fleet air arm thank you very much, dirty fish heads.
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