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New null space

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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2013-03-15 12:50:59 UTC
Idea is simple.
Create new NPC null space pockets - not connected to current SoV space but only to a low sec.
This will allow new alliances to grow - and could bring something good "air" to current nullsec stagnation.

I'm thinking about small constellations - not new regions.



monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-15 12:55:16 UTC
There really is no problem with a lack of space. the issue is the mechanics that govern sov holding and sov warefare.

creating new space will not solve the problem.

and if there was to be further null space i'd suggest it should be beyond wh space. that way it gives a serious logistical problems to deal with.
Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2013-03-15 13:00:20 UTC
The issue with sov is that to many players invested to much time in it.
Now if CCP will make necessary changes to SOV mechanics - it will have about half of their customers quite unhappy.
This could be a disaster for their income - so there will be at most some minor changes - that wont change much.

That is why i want new null NPC space not connected to other null.
This way small alliances can get some space - build their numbers - and this way in future bring some god new pvp blood to current nullsec.
monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-15 13:40:31 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
The issue with sov is that to many players invested to much time in it.
Now if CCP will make necessary changes to SOV mechanics - it will have about half of their customers quite unhappy.
This could be a disaster for their income - so there will be at most some minor changes - that wont change much.

That is why i want new null NPC space not connected to other null.
This way small alliances can get some space - build their numbers - and this way in future bring some god new pvp blood to current nullsec.


it's a nice thought but the space would need to both be worthless and have no strategic value otherwise there would be nothing to stop a major alliance taking it and using it as a staging area as it would be close to highsec and give good jump access to their respective 0.0 areas.

until there are limiting factors for holding space any new space will be gobbled up with those that already have the power.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#5 - 2013-03-15 14:43:01 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
The issue with sov is that to many players invested to much time in it.
Now if CCP will make necessary changes to SOV mechanics - it will have about half of their customers quite unhappy.
This could be a disaster for their income - so there will be at most some minor changes - that wont change much.


Only a minority of players is really involved in it. 80% of EvE players play in high, low or wh anyway, always been so.
To fix null sov one should simply get rid of all the mechanics and barriers added in the last years and reset everything.

I think CCP evaluate more convenient to just let it as mere arena for capital fights, let it die slowly and developing some brand new kind of space (like jove space with sov dynamics similar to FW or something like WH or something else more like you describe). Anyway something more dynamic and flexible for the majority of the playerbase.

After the Dominion fiasco CCP stopped to cater to a subset of null sec players and all the game development (from Apocryphia to Retribution) focused trasversally to support their major playerbase.

Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2013-03-15 14:45:52 UTC
Actually there are many players in null. Just most of them have alts in WH or High sec.
Additionally lack of alternatives is keeping some of players in higsec.
Notorious Fellon
#7 - 2013-03-15 14:53:08 UTC
I too, want there to be more space. Not sure if I agree with this suggestion on where/how to add it, but I am onboard the addition of any new space.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

Luc Chastot
#8 - 2013-03-15 15:20:32 UTC
Why add more empty space?

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Anthar Thebess
#9 - 2013-03-16 11:40:42 UTC
This space is not empty. Check NPC null space.
Empty is SoV soace - system with to high sec status - not worth to pay for .
You have to keep this system in order no one get a foothold in this region.
Dave stark
#10 - 2013-03-16 12:14:01 UTC
create new sov for small alliances!

aaaaand it's been taken by big alliances first.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2013-03-16 12:26:22 UTC
Alternatively, change Sov to be bottom up! If you want sov in a particular system, you have to USE that system. Only by doing certain things enough every single day will you hold sov in a particular system.

You aren't mining/ratting/doing other stuff in your system? It's just a system you use to get to the other systems you actually USE? Well then, you don't have sov in that system anymore.

Problem solved! (probably not)
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-03-16 12:33:09 UTC
Eve doesn't need space.

Eve needs content in said space.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#13 - 2013-03-16 13:26:44 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
This space is not empty. Check NPC null space.
Empty is SoV soace - system with to high sec status - not worth to pay for .
You have to keep this system in order no one get a foothold in this region.


It's because current sov is based on placing a flag and then there's no need to live and use the systems. Easy jump clones, teleport stone, bridges, summoning portals from Ironforge and force procection made pointless to live there or anywhere. Also the most important income are passive income,

But this is what they cried to have for years.

To fix now you should remove everything, reset the sov mechanics and disband coalitions.

But go figure, this people already cry cause it's too hard now; they already whine for a single neutrals cloacked in local, rats "too hard" and medical clone too expansive, go figure...

So is porbably more easy to just let it die (beside some minor adjustment) and focus on somethoing else. After all the core playerbase is not there. To me seems this is the development policy after Dominion.

I'm not saying is good so, I'm saying is probably the most convenient option.

Anthar Thebess
#14 - 2013-03-18 11:38:13 UTC
That is why - my proposal is add new NPC null space.
There if you use it , defend it ... it is yours ;)