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thebarry

7-2 Ronin

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#1 - 2013-03-15 08:27:38 UTC

Apparently CCP is no longer tolerating use of the multi-boxing software known as ISBoxer, or any other for that matter. I learned yesterday that accounts which were using it are being banned and was pretty concerned since I had just purchased the software about 2 weeks ago and rather enjoyed it. More disturbing was that I had to learn this from a friend...I had no idea that they had stopped allowing it at all since there were no notifications of this policy change that I know of. Anyways, I don't have a ton of accounts like some do, but even I will be shutting down at least one of them, possibly two. It just seems odd for a company that encourages multiboxing with Power of Two promotions to then outlaw the use of programs that make running these extra accounts so much less cumbersome.

CCP if you are going to have a policy change like this you should at least let people know with some kind of obvious warning, so that we don't get banned for using a program that was acceptable in the past!

l0rd carlos

the king asked me to guard the mountain

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#2 - 2013-03-15 08:33:33 UTC | Edited by: ISD Suvetar

I am not sure, but if i understand it correctly only if you use it for botting you get banned.
If you have the Snipped - ISD Suvetar loaded you get banned, that is an extension for ISBoxer or something like that.

Better write a petition and ask.

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thebarry 7-2 Ronin Likes received: 17	#3 - 2013-03-15 08:34:33 UTC \| Edited by: ISD Suvetar l0rd carlos wrote: I am not sure, but if i understand it correctly only if you use it for botting you get banned. If you have the Snipped - ISD Suvetar loaded you get banned, that is an extension for ISBoxer or something like that. Better write a petition and ask. I did.

Alice Saki

Nocturnal Romance

Cynosural Field Theory.

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#4 - 2013-03-15 08:34:33 UTC | Edited by: Alice Saki

CCP Eterne wrote:

#481 Posted: 2013.03.14 09:34 | Report
Hey guys, I've been asked to relay this statement.

We currently have no plans to change our current policy on this issue. We always take all feedback into account and will discuss this further internally.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2743356#post2743356

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thebarry

7-2 Ronin

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#5 - 2013-03-15 08:40:04 UTC | Edited by: thebarry

Alice Saki wrote:

CCP Eterne wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2743356#post2743356

Can someone from CCP clarify then? I don't want to discuss any petitions but I will say that as of now I am not using ISBoxer at all.

Edit: Also this http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2013/03/ccps-war-on-bots-inner-space.html


Alice Saki Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. Likes received: 126,785	#6 - 2013-03-15 08:43:28 UTC 1 bad thing about petitions it can vary from GM to GM Anyway... SRS ♥ FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.


thebarry 7-2 Ronin Likes received: 17	#7 - 2013-03-15 08:45:07 UTC Alice Saki wrote: bad thing about petitions it can vary from GM to GM Anyway... SRS ♥ Yea, but senior gm is senior! also ♥2u2

Mara Rinn

Cosmic Goo Convertor

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#8 - 2013-03-15 08:47:59 UTC

I reckon you'd be more likely to hear something from Noisy Gamer than from CCP with respect to use of particular software earning you a ban.

After all, it's not like the guy running the ISBoxer + Something Else bot is going to say, "aww, I got banned for botting using Something Else" because they know full well they'd get no sympathy. So they point as ISBoxer which everyone else uses legitimately and say, "I got banned, and I was using ISBoxer", which is not technically a lie. They're still lying through omission though.

As much as I dislike keystroke broadcasters like ISBoxer, I'd suggest that if ISBoxer was earning people bans, we'd have heard a lot more noise about it by now.

Just be careful about using ISBoxer to advance faster than normal game play.

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thebarry

7-2 Ronin

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#9 - 2013-03-15 08:54:06 UTC

Mara Rinn wrote:

You make a good point, but like I said, I did petition, and well, I guess I need some clarification from CCP now :/

As an aside, when I'm missioning I mainly use it to make switching clients a lot easier, but for people using multiple clients to run the missions it WILL make you 'advance' faster since you don't have to repeat keystrokes across all the clients to fire missiles at a rat for example.

Mutual Fund of the Something 1,230
Primary This Rifter Mutual Fund of the Something Likes received: 1,230	#10 - 2013-03-15 09:03:25 UTC Mara Rinn wrote: So they point as ISBoxer which everyone else uses legitimately and say, "I got banned, and I was using ISBoxer", which is not technically a lie. They're still lying through omission though. As far as I'm concerned a lie of omission is as much "technically" a lie as any other.

Dave Stark

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#11 - 2013-03-15 09:10:14 UTC

Primary This Rifter wrote:

Mara Rinn wrote:

So they point as ISBoxer which everyone else uses legitimately and say, "I got banned, and I was using ISBoxer", which is not technically a lie. They're still lying through omission though.

As far as I'm concerned a lie of omission is as much "technically" a lie as any other.

depends how you define a lie.

omitting the truth isn't a lie, for nothing false has been said.
being banned while using isoboxer is true.
being banned because of using isoboxer, though... most likely a lie.

i do love the subtlety of the english language.

Aliastra Gallente Federation 100
Sab Sab Five Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 100	#12 - 2013-03-15 09:27:26 UTC this must be why we say "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" in US courts after also leading with "truth". never trust an american, they might be telling the truth, a half truth, or nothing of the truth.


Primary This Rifter Mutual Fund of the Something Likes received: 1,230	#13 - 2013-03-15 09:32:47 UTC Sab Sab Five wrote: this must be why we say "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" in US courts after also leading with "truth". never trust an american, they might be telling the truth, a half truth, or nothing of the truth. Because nobody else lies, by omission or otherwise.

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Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5,312	#14 - 2013-03-15 10:02:19 UTC Something is fishy with this guy. CCP Dev said there's no change of policy, thus nobody will get banned. This guy comes up and spreads hearsay about CCP banning people from ISBoxer. CCP will not have a Dev say 1 and act 2 just a few days later without notice. I call Bullshit.

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

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#15 - 2013-03-15 10:03:31 UTC

Primary This Rifter wrote:

Sab Sab Five wrote:

this must be why we say "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" in US courts after also leading with "truth".

never trust an american, they might be telling the truth, a half truth, or nothing of the truth.

Because nobody else lies, by omission or otherwise. Roll

*wwwoooosh*

(Pro-tip™: he was satirising the wording of the oath, not Americans)

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Sura Sadiva

Entropic Tactical Crew

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#16 - 2013-03-15 10:19:09 UTC

Solstice Project wrote:

Something is fishy with this guy.

CCP Dev said there's no change of policy, thus nobody will get banned.
This guy comes up and spreads hearsay about CCP banning people from ISBoxer.
CCP will not have a Dev say 1 and act 2 just a few days later without notice.

I call Bullshit.

Probably is the same when they say "so now client cache scrapping is illegal? i was banned for it, need a clarification, so also using EvE-Central can get you banned now" and forget to say they were:

- scrapping cache to get market data in real time
- passing this data to an esternal software they wrote
- redirect the output on some other auto-keyrecording software
- using this to send command to EVE client and change market orders while AFK
- sell the isk on RMT sites

But the only thing they remember is the cache data scrapping. And pretend to assume that since CCP said is ok then means anything you do involving it becomes legal.

Solstice Project

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#17 - 2013-03-15 10:30:07 UTC

Sura Sadiva wrote:

Solstice Project wrote:

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#18 - 2013-03-15 11:02:53 UTC

I used to run 5 accounts without any extra software or special keyboards, all on one PC. It really isn't all that difficult. Buying third party software is kind of silly, and I do think it shouldn't be allowed. I really hope CCP does start doing something about it. If you want to have that many accounts, then manage them like you are supposed to, and not be lazy about it.

Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan 1,408
Tom Gerard Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan Likes received: 1,408	#19 - 2013-03-15 11:09:36 UTC \| Edited by: Tom Gerard ISBoxer is the only way market prices are as low as they are, if they ban it the 23/7 ACTIVE players will depart. Prices will go up, all will be tears. Macroing is not a black or white issue, hurting Macros hurts everyone. Now with 100% less Troll.